My Psychic Powers Were No Match for Jesus! | Ron Cohen

In this It’s Supernatural! Classic episode from 1999: As a child, Ron Cohen had friends without bodies. He used to slip out of his body and travel to other locations. But he soon found his psychic powers were no match for Jesus!

SID: AS A CHILD, RON COHEN
HAD FRIENDS – WITHOUT BODIES.

HE USED TO SLIP OUT OF
HIS BODY AND TRAVEL TO

OTHER LOCATIONS – NEXT
[MUSIC ♪]

ON THIS EDITION OF
“IT’S SUPERNATURAL!”.

LIFE AFTER DEATH EXPERIENCES
AND ANGELIC COMMUNICATIONS

ARE ON THE INCREASE.
TERMINALLY ILL PATIENTS

WHOM DOCTORS HAVE GIVEN NO
HOPE ARE UNEXPLAINABLY CURED.

PEOPLE ARE BEING
MYSTERIOUSLY PROTECTED

FROM NATURAL DISASTERS.

SID ROTH, YOUR
INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER,

EXAMINES THIS
INVISIBLE WORLD ON

“IT’S SUPERNATURAL!”.

SID: HELLO, I’M SID ROTH,
YOUR INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER.

MY GUEST, RON COHEN, AS A
YOUNG CHILD HAD FRIENDS.

HE THOUGHT EVERYONE HAD
FRIENDS LIKE THIS,

EXCEPT THESE WERE FRIENDS
WITHOUT BODIES.

FRIENDS WITHOUT BODIES?
COME ON, RON! GIVE ME A BREAK!

DIDN’T YOU THINK THIS WAS
A LITTLE WEIRD?

RON: WELL, ACTUALLY
I DIDN’T.

THIS WAS THE PLACE THAT I
LIVED IN EVERY DAY.

I GREW UP IN HUNTINGTON,
LONG ISLAND,

AND I REMEMBER I’D COME
HOME FROM SCHOOL,

GO ACROSS THE STREET.
WE HAD THESE WOODS

ACROSS THE STREET, AND
I HAD THIS LITTLE CAMPFIRE

I BUILT, THERE AND I
WOULD GO OVER

IN THE AFTERNOON AND
MEET WITH MY FRIENDS.

I HAD A LOT OF FRIENDS
WHEN I WAS YOUNGER.

THEY KNEW ME BY NAME.
I KNEW THEM BY NAME.

WE WOULD TALK AND THEY
WOULD TELL ME

ALL KINDS OF THINGS
ABOUT MY LIFE,

AND WHAT WAS HAPPENING. THE
ONLY PROBLEM WAS, SID,

MY FRIENDS DID NOT
HAVE PHYSICAL BODIES.

THEY STARTED OUT AS LITTLE
LIGHTS THAT TOOK ON

MORE AND MORE FORM,
UNTIL FINALLY – I ACTUALLY

RECOGNIZED THEM AS
PERSONS,

OR PERSONALITIES, WITHOUT
FLESH AND BLOOD BODIES.

THEY DIDN’T HAVE PHYSICAL
BODIES,

BUT THEY WERE JUST AS MUCH
PERSONS OR PERSONALITIES

THAT HAD SOME ABILITY TO
COMMUNICATE WITH ME.

SID: YOU KNOW, YOU REALIZE
THERE ARE A LOT OF PEOPLE

WATCHING US RIGHT
NOW THAT THINK –

I’VE BEEN USING THIS WORD
A LOT LATELY –

THINK YOU’RE A
“BISELE MESHUGA” –

“: (LAUGHS) YES.
SID: A “LITTLE CRAZY”.

NOW, WHAT ABOUT
THIS THING OF

YOUR SPIRIT SLIPPING OUT
OF YOUR THROAT?

RON: WELL, I WOULD WAKE UP
IN THE MORNING.

I CAME FROM A VERY JEWISH
BACKGROUND.

MY PARENTS WERE JEWISH.

I GREW UP IN HEBREW SCHOOL
AND ALL THAT,

BUT I REMEMBER, LIKE, I’D
BE 10, 11, 12 YEARS OLD,

AND I WOULD WAKE UP
IN THE MORNING AND

I WOULD LITERALLY SLIP OUT OF
MY BODY THROUGH MY THROAT,

AND I WOULD
GO OVER THE HOUSES.

SID: HOW DID YOU
KNOW HOW TO EVEN DO THIS?

RON: YOU KNOW, IT’S JUST
SOMETHING THAT CAME NATURAL.

IT WAS JUST A PART OF MY LIFE,
THE SAME AS THESE FRIENDS

THAT WERE AROUND ME; THIS
SEEING INTO A SPIRIT REALM

THAT I DIDN’T EVEN KNOW
WAS A SPIRIT REALM.

I DIDN’T KNOW KNOW IF
THESE WERE FRIENDS THAT

WERE GOOD OR BAD FRIENDS.

THEY WERE JUST THE
ENTITIES THAT WERE THERE –

POWERS THAT WERE THERE AS
A CHILD –

AND SO I WOULD GO DOWN TO
THE APARTMENTS, YOU KNOW,

GO OVER TO THEM; SEE WHAT THE
KIDS WERE DOING, RIDING BIKES,

PLAYING BALL, WEARING A
HEAVY COAT OR WHATEVER.

SID: HOW DID YOU
KNOW YOU WEREN’T JUST –

IT’S A CHILD’S IMAGINATION?
RON: YES. YES.

I WOULD SLIP BACK INTO MY
BODY.

I WOULD GET UP AND GET
DRESSED, AND GO OUTSIDE,

AND EVERYTHING WAS ALWAYS
EXACTLY LIKE I SAW IT –

ALWAYS LIKE I SAW IT – AND
SO I GUESS JUST FROM EXPERIENCE,

IN A SENSE I KNEW WHAT I
WAS DOING WAS REAL.

SID: WHAT TYPE OF A CAREER
DID YOU PREPARE FOR?

RON: WELL, I ENDED UP
GOING TO COLLEGE IN FLORIDA.

I WAS GOING INTO PRE-MED.

BEING JEWISH I ONLY HAD
THREE CHOICES:

DOCTOR, LAWYER, AND
ACCOUNTANT.

SID: DOCTOR, LAWYER, AND
ACCOUNTANT. (LAUGHS)

AND SO I STARTED IN THE
MEDICAL,

AND THEN ACTUALLY
ENDED UP IN ACCOUNTING;

ENDED UP GOING BACK FOR
ANOTHER YEAR OR SO.

BUT I REMEMBER IN MY
SECOND YEAR IN COLLEGE,

I GOT ACTIVELY INVOLVED
WITH ASTROLOGY,

WITH PALMISTRY AND TAROT
CARDS, AND THE KABBALAH,

BUT ALSO WITH A MAN THAT
WAS KNOWN AS EDGAR CAYCE.

AND EDGAR CAYCE – THE WORLD
KIND OF THINKS OF HIM AS

A PROPHET OF SOME SORT, BUT
CAYCE WAS A “CHANNELER”.

HE WAS A MEDIUM THAT WAS
IN TOUCH WITH, AGAIN,

WITH ONE OF THESE
SPIRITS IN A HIGH PLACE,

THAT WOULD PUT HIM INTO A
TRANCE AND SPEAK THROUGH HIM.

SID: YOU ACTUALLY WORKED FOR
THE EDGAR CAYCE FOUNDATION.

RON: YEARS LATER I BECAME
THE ACCOUNTANT FOR THE

EDGAR CAYCE FOUNDATION
IN NEW YORK CITY,

AND READ HIS BLACK BOOK, HIS
DIARIES – SO THAT’S HOW

I KNEW MORE FROM
HIS POINT OF VIEW –

WHAT WAS
HAPPENING TO HIM,

WHERE HE WOULD SAY THIS
THING OVERTOOK HIM,

AND HE CALLED IT – A SPIRIT
WOULD OVERTAKE HIM,

PUT HIM INTO A TRANCE, AND
SPEAK THROUGH HIM;

AGAIN, NOT KNOWING RIGHT
OR WRONG, GOOD OR BAD.

YOU KNOW, WAS THIS FROM
DARK SIDE OR LIGHT SIDE?

SID: TELL ME HOW, AFTER
COLLEGE, YOU’RE WORKING AS

AN ACCOUNTANT FOR A
“BIG 8” CPA FIRM;

BUT WHAT’S GOING ON WITH
YOU AS FAR AS

THESE IMAGINARY FRIENDS?

RON: YEAH, IT WAS KIND OF
TWO LIVES.

IN THE DAYTIME I WAS A
STRAIGHT ACCOUNTANT,

YOU KNOW – VEST, SUIT AND
WHATEVER –

AND THEN AT NIGHT I WAS A
PSYCHIC AND A MEDIUM

IN NEW YORK CITY.

A REALM OF PSYCHIC-NESS
OPENED UP TO ME

IN THE REALM OF AURAS, THAT
WHEREVER I WALKED

DOWN THE STREETS, I SAW
RAINBOWS AROUND PEOPLE,

WHICH, I KNEW THEY CALLED
THEM “AURAS”.

AND IN THAT RAINBOW I
WOULD SEE THEIR

DEAD GRANDMOTHER OR
THEIR AUNT’S RELATIVES,

WHAT THEY WERE DOING,
WHERE THEY WERE WORKING,

AND SO IT WAS A DEEPER
REALM OF PSYCHIC-NESS

THAT OPENED UP TO ME
AT THAT TIME.

ALSO THEN GOT INVOLVED
WITH EDGAR CAYCE.

AFTER SEVERAL YEARS IN THE
CITY, WENT OVER TO

SWITZERLAND TO THE
RUDOLF STEINER SCHOOL –

THAT’S THE ROSICRUCIANS –
AND SPENT TIME WITH THAT.

YOU KNOW, ALL THE TIME, THOUGH,
TRYING TO SEEK THIS PERSON,

YOU KNOW, WE’D EVEN SHARE
TO SEEK THIS PERSON THAT

WAS THERE WHEN I WAS 12
YEARS OLD.

SID: WHAT HAPPENED
WHEN YOU WERE 12?

RON: I REMEMBER IT WAS THE
MONTH OF JUNE,

AT 7 O’CLOCK AT NIGHT. I WALKED
OUT OF OUR HOUSE

IN HUNTINGTON, LONG ISLAND,
AND THERE ON THE LEFT OF ME,

ABOUT 20 FEET AWAY, WAS A MAN
STANDING THERE LOOKING AT ME.

HE HAD ON A LONG WHITE
ROBE, AND LONG BROWN HAIR.

HE HAD HIS HANDS
OUT LIKE THIS.

I REMEMBER SEEING RED
HOLES IN HIS HANDS.

SID: THAT SOUNDS LIKE
JESUS!

RON: AND INSTINCTIVELY
I KNEW THAT WAS JESUS.

SID: HOW COULD YOU,
AS A KID –

RON: I KNEW NOTHING
ABOUT JESUS.

SID: DID YOUR PARENTS
TEACH YOU ANYTHING?

RON: NO. I KNEW
NOTHING ABOUT JESUS,

COMING FROM A JEWISH HOME. I
KIND OF LAUGH AT IT AND SAY,

WELL, I THOUGHT HE LIVED
IN THE BUILDING DOWN

THE STREET THAT HAD THE
STATUE OF THE LADY OUT FRONT.

SID: [LAUGHS]
RON: YOU KNOW, I THOUGHT

HE LIVED IN THE CATHOLIC
CHURCH. BUT TWO THINGS

HAPPENED TO ME AT
THAT MOMENT AT 12 YEARS OLD.

THE FIRST THING WAS AN
OVERWHELMING DESIRE

TO FIND THAT MAN IN REALITY;
TO FIND THE REAL JESUS.

NOT IN SOME BUILDING OR
DENOMINATION OR RELIGION,

BUT TO FIND A REAL PERSON.
AND THE SECOND THING

THAT HAPPENED WAS AN
IMPARTATION, OR AN

INNER KNOWING OF THE REALITY
OF THE REALM OF MIRACLES.

SO I KNEW AS A CHILD
GROWING UP THAT THERE WAS

A PLACE FOR EVERY ONE OF
US TO BE ABLE TO REACH UP

INTO THE SPIRIT REALM AND
RECEIVE A MIRACLE

IN OUR LIFE FROM THAT MAN WHO
WAS THERE IN MY FRONT YARD.

AND THAT STARTED THE NEXT
16 YEARS OF MY LIFE,

ACTUALLY, IN MY SEARCH TO
FIND HIM.

SID: NOW, I KNOW THAT YOU
MET A GURU IN INDIA,

BUT THIS GURU ACTUALLY
CAME TO YOU IN YOUR BEDROOM?

RON: WELL, AFTER COMING
BACK FROM SWITZERLAND,

I WENT BACK TO THE ACCOUNTING
FIRM IN NEW YORK CITY.

I REMEMBER GETTING OUT OF
THE BUS IN CENTRAL PARK,

WEST AND 86TH STREET, AND
THERE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF

CENTRAL PARK WEST, ON A
BENCH ON A CORNER,

WAS A MAN SITTING THERE
WITH INDIAN CLOTHES ON.

HE HAD HIS HAIR IN A KNOT
ON HIS HEAD.

HE HAD A LONG BEARD, HIS
HANDS IN HIS LAP,

AND THERE WERE 30, 40
PEOPLE SITTING ON BLANKETS

AND MATS AROUND THE BENCH;
A STRANGE-LOOKING GROUP

IN THE MIDDLE OF
NEW YORK CITY.

WALKED ACROSS THE STREET
AND –

SID: WELL, THERE’S SOME STRANGE
PEOPLE [LAUGHS]

IN NEW YORK CITY.
RON: YES, BUT THIS WAS

VERY STRANGE. AND TAXI CABS
AND CARS, YOU KNOW,

AND EVERYTHING. AND I WAS
WEARING MY WORKING CLOTHES,

AND I WENT ACROSS THE STREET
TO LOOK AT THEM, AND

I WAS KIND OF LEANING ON A
TREE THERE, AND THIS MAN

ON THE BENCH LOOKED UP
AT ME AND HE SAID –

IN A HAND LANGUAGE – BECAUSE
I LEARNED LATER THAT HE

WAS SILENT FOR MANY YEARS –
HE LOOKED AT ME AND HE SAID,

“WELCOME HOME. THIS IS WHAT
YOU HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR.”

“WELCOME HOME. THIS IS WHAT
YOU HAVE BEEN LOOKING FOR.”

WELL, I DIDN’T KNOW I WAS
LOOKING FOR ANYTHING.

I WAS ON MY WAY
HOME FROM WORK.

SID: [LAUGHS]

RON: BUT THAT WAS MY
INTRODUCTION TO HINDUISM,

TO YOGA, TO EASTERN
THEOLOGY, AND WHATEVER,

AND TO A MAN IN INDIA
NAMED SATHYA SAI BABA.

SID: THAT’S WHAT I WAS
TALKING ABOUT;

THIS SAI BABA CAME INTO
YOUR BEDROOM? EXPLAIN THAT.

RON: YES. WELL, HE’S KNOWN
AS A “MAN OF MIRACLES”,

AGAIN QUOTE-UNQUOTE.
HE HAS MANY, MANY POWERS.

HE’LL ROLL HIS SLEEVE UP AND
WAVE HIS HAND IN THE AIR,

AND HAVE “HOLY ASH”
COME FROM HIS FINGERTIPS.

I’VE EATEN CASHEW NUTS
THAT HAVE

FALLEN OUT
OF HIS FINGERTIPS.

TWICE I’VE SEEN HIM
FEED 40,000 PEOPLE

OUT OF TWO BUCKETS OF FOOD –

RICE IN ONE AND CURRY
IN THE OTHER – AND JUST ALL

THESE “SIGNS OR MIRACLES”
THAT SEEM TO HAPPEN.

WELL, THAT WAS MY LEARNING
ABOUT HIM.

A FEW MONTHS LATER, I WAS
AWAKENED AT 3 IN THE MORNING,

AND THERE HE WAS
STANDING AT THE FOOT OF MY BED.

SID: HOW’D HE GET IN?
RON: HE WAS JUST

STANDING THERE! I MEAN, IT
WASN’T A VISION. HE WAS

ACTUALLY THERE. AND HE
LOOKED AT ME, POINTED HIS

FINGER AT ME, AND HE SAID,
“IT’S TIME FOR YOU TO COME

TO INDIA AND BE MY DISCIPLE”,
AND THEN VANISHED.

SID: SO WHAT DID YOU
DO ABOUT IT?

RON: WELL, I HAD TO FOLLOW
THAT ONE.

I THOUGHT IT WAS A HEAVENLY
COMMAND, YOU KNOW?

AND AGAIN, JEWISH; I’M
LOOKING FOR THIS JESUS –

THIS MESSIAH – BUT I DON’T
KNOW ABOUT ALL THESE

OTHER THINGS, YOU KNOW.
SO I’M, GOING FROM

ONE THING TO THE NEXT,
AND THEN I’M QUITTING MY

ACCOUNTING JOB
AND WENT TO INDIA.

SID: NOW, WHAT DID YOU
LOOK LIKE

WHEN YOU WERE A GURU?

RON: WELL, AFTER I GOT TO
INDIA, MY HAIR STARTED TO

GROW VERY LONG; I STARTED
TO GROW A BEARD.

I USED TO WEAR THESE
ORANGE ROBES AROUND AND –

SID: WHAT DID YOUR JEWISH
PARENTS SAY?

“MY SON, THE GURU”?

RON: YEAH, SO MY DAD HAD A
LITTLE SHOE STORE, AND

HERE I AM BAREFOOT. (LAUGHS)
SID: HOLD THAT THOUGHT.

WE’LL SEE WHETHER HE GETS
HIS SHOES BACK OR NOT.

WE’LL BE RIGHT BACK
AFTER THIS.

[MUSIC ♪]
WE’LL RETURN TO

MORE OF SID ROTH AND
“IT’S SUPERNATURAL!”

[MUSIC ♪]

SID: HELLO, THIS IS SID ROTH,
YOUR INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER,

AND OY VEY! HOW WOULD YOU
LIKE TO HAVE YOUR SON –

A “NICE JEWISH FAMILY” –
“MY SON THE GURU”?

YOU PUT HIM THROUGH
COLLEGE, HE’S A CPA.

HE’S WITH A BIG 8 CPA FIRM,
AND HE’S OFF TO INDIA,

LOOKING LIKE A GURU?

WHAT HAPPENED TO YOU,
RON, IN INDIA?

RON: WELL, I SPENT MY
FIRST SIX MONTHS THERE

WITH THIS MAN, SAI BABA.
SATHYA SAI BABA,

THE “MOTHER/FATHER
OF ALL TRUTH”,

THE MAN WHO DOESN’T
CLAIM TO BE JESUS,

BUT THE ONE WHO CLAIMS TO
SEND JESUS TO THE EARTH.

SO HE CLAIMS TO
BE GOD HIMSELF.

AND OF COURSE, WE MIGHT
ALL LAUGH THAT OFF,

BUT HE HAS MILLIONS AND
MILLIONS OF HINDU FOLLOWERS.

SID: REALLY? THAT MANY?

RON: AND ALL THROUGHOUT
AMERICA AND CANADA

AND EUROPE.
SID: OUT OF CURIOSITY, WERE

MANY JEWISH PEOPLE INVOLVED
IN THESE THINGS WITH YOU?

RON: YOU KNOW, FROM WHAT
I’VE UNDERSTOOD, AND THE

STUDIES THAT HAVE BEEN DONE,
AN OVERWHELMING PERCENTAGE

OF JEWS ARE INVOLVED
IN THE OCCULT.

SID: DO YOU HAVE
ANY IDEA WHY?

RON: WELL, I HAVE MY OWN
FEELINGS ON IT,

BUT I SENSE BECAUSE OF
THAT CALL OF GOD

THAT GOES DOWN THROUGH
THE GENERATIONS –

GOING ALL THE WAY BACK TO
ABRAHAM – THERE IS STILL

THAT CALL ON THE JEWISH HEART
TO COME TO KNOW THE MESSIAH.

BUT WE DON’T KNOW HOW TO
GET THERE, INITIALLY

BECAUSE OF ALL THAT’S
HAPPENED.

SID: I REMEMBER YOU
SITTING ON A PARK BENCH,

AND A – YOU HAD A VOW OF
SILENCE OR SOMETHING,

AND A CHRISTIAN CAME UP TO
YOU, AND WHAT DID HE SAY?

RON: WELL, AFTER WE GOT
BACK FROM INDIA AND

WE WERE TRAVELING
AROUND THE STATES,

WE HAD A BUS AND A
CARAVAN.

I WENT FROM CITY TO CITY
TEACHING YOGA,

AND ALL THE WONDERFUL
THINGS THAT, YOU KNOW,

I LEARNED BACK THEN. AND
WE WENT DOWN TO MEXICO;

SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA; FINALLY
ENDED UP IN UC BERKELEY –

THE UNIVERSITY OF BERKELEY –
AND I GOT OUT OF THE BUS,

AND I SAT ON A BENCH
FOR 35 DAYS IN THE MIDDLE OF

BERKELEY CAMPUS ON SPROUL
PLAZA, WEARING MY WHITE ROBES

AND LONG HAIR AND
CROSS-LEGGED ON A BENCH.

SID: I’LL BET YOU THOUGHT
YOU WERE SOMETHING!

[LAUGHS]
RON: WELL, HUNDREDS OF

PEOPLE WOULD LINE UP
TO KISS MY FEET.

SID: SERIOUS?

RON: BECAUSE OF ALL THAT
WAS HAPPENING THEN,

YOU KNOW, FROM THE POWERS
THAT WERE THERE.

BUT I REMEMBER IT WAS
11 O’CLOCK IN THE MORNING,

AND A YOUNG MAN WEARING A
SHORT-SLEEVED WHITE SHIRT

AND SHORT BLONDISH HAIR,
HE WALKED OVER ALL THE

PEOPLE THAT WERE SITTING
ON THE MATS AROUND MY BENCH.

HE WALKED UP TO ME, AND HE
LOOKED AT ME AND HE SAID,

“DO YOU HAVE JESUS IN YOUR
HEART?” AND I SAID –

IN A HAND LANGUAGE –
BECAUSE I WAS MOSTLY SILENT,

I SAID, “FOR SURE I HAVE
JESUS IN MY HEART.

AND RAM IS IN MY HEART,
AND KRISHNA’S IN MY HEART,

AND YOU’RE IN MY HEART,
TOO!”

I HAD A BIG HEART BACK THEN!

AND THEN HE ASKED ME IF I
WAS FILLED WITH THE

HOLY SPIRIT, AND I HAD SO
MUCH ENERGY IN MY BODY

FROM MEDITATING THAT I COULD
HOLD MY HAND UP AND

3-FOOT RAYS OF BLUE LIGHT
CAME OUT OF MY FINGERTIPS,

VISIBLE IN THE SUNLIGHT. AND
I HELD MY HAND UP, AND SAID,

“FOR SURE I HAVE THE
HOLY SPIRIT.”

AND HE POINTED HIS FINGER
AT ME AND HE SAID,

“YOU’RE LYING. JESUS
ISN’T IN YOUR HEART,

AND YOU DON’T HAVE
THE HOLY SPIRIT.

I CAN SEE IT IN YOUR
EYES.” AND HE TURNED

AROUND AND WALKED AWAY,
AND 30 FEET AWAY HE

DISAPPEARED.
SID: ANY IMPACT ON YOU?

RON: YOU KNOW, WE ALL – THE
GROUP THAT WAS CLOSE TO ME,

THAT TRANSLATED OR
WHATEVER, WE ALL REMEMBER

WATCHING HIM DISAPPEAR
RIGHT THERE. JUST, POOF!

BUT INITIALLY THERE WAS NO
IMPACT EXCEPT THAT WAS VERY –

SID: WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY
“DISAPPEAR”?

RON: JUST, POOF!
JUST – RIGHT THERE HE WAS,

AND THERE HE WASN’T.
SID: YOU MEAN HE JUST

SLIPPED OUT OF THE CROWD OR
HE WENT –

RON: OH, NO, NO! THERE
WASN’T THAT KIND OF A CROWD.

EVERYONE WAS SITTING, AND
HE WAS WALKING AWAY,

AND THEN 20 FEET AWAY HE
VANISHED.

SID: OKAY, NOW, YOU HAD
YOUR GROUPIES –

LET’S CALL THEM – YOUR
FOLLOWERS KISSING YOUR FEET.

RON: SURE DID. SURE DID.
SID: YOU’RE IN A BUS.

YOU’RE GOING FROM AREA TO
AREA, CONDUCTING CLASSES,

AND YOU WENT TO
UPSTATE NEW YORK.

RON: WELL, AFTER THAT
EXPERIENCE, A COUPLE OF

DAYS LATER, WE GOT ON OUR
BUSES AND STARTED TO TRAVEL

ACROSS COUNTRY BACK
UPSTATE NEW YORK TO A

BIRTHDAY PARTY OF THIS GURU
THAT WAS ON THE BENCH – ALSO

A JEWISH GUY THAT WAS ON
THAT BENCH – MANY YEARS AGO.

NOW MANY YEARS HAVE
TRANSPIRED,

AND WHEN WE GOT THERE AT
THIS YOGA MONASTERY,

WAY IN THE MOUNTAINS, HE
SAID – HE CAME UP TO US;

HE SAID, “RON, LET ME
TAKE YOU TO THIS LITTLE YOGA

AUDITORIUM AND TELL
YOU WHAT WAS HAPPENING.”

AND TO MAKE A LOT OF
STORY SHORT HERE,

HE SAID SEVERAL THINGS.
FIRST OF ALL, HE WAS

TALKING FOR THE FIRST TIME
IN MANY, MANY YEARS THAT WE

EVER HEARD HIS VOICE.
SID: HE HAD A VOW OF SILENCE.

RON: YES. ALSO – AND
HE SAID TWO THINGS

HAPPENED IN HIS LIFE.
HE SAID THE FIRST THING

WAS THAT HE CAUGHT
SATHYA SAI BABA IN A LIE.

SID: WAIT A SECOND!

WASN’T HE CALLED “THE
FATHER OF ALL TRUTHS”?

RON: YES, “MOTHER/FATHER OF
ALL TRUTH.”

SID: HOW DOES THE
“MOTHER/FATHER OF ALL TRUTH”

LIE, LIKE, IN A MAJOR LIE?

RON: WELL, IT STARTED TO
GO THROUGH THIS GUY’S MIND,

WHATEVER WAS
LEFT OF HIS MIND (LAUGHS),

AND THAT SOMETHING WAS
GOING ON HERE.

BUT THE SECOND THING THAT
HAPPENED,

THIS YOGA MONASTERY HAD
NO ELECTRICITY,

NO PLUMBING, NO TELEPHONE,
NO FAX MACHINE, NO COMPUTER.

NOTHING CONNECTED IT TO
THE OUTSIDE WORLD BUT A

TANK OF LP GAS THAT WAS
USED TO HEAT HOT WATER

IN AN EMERGENCY
IN THE WINTER.

AND ONE DAY A BAPTIST MAN
CAME ALL THE WAY UP

FROM THE CITY,
UP TO THE MOUNTAIN,

TO CHANGE HIS TANK OF
LP GAS, AND LEFT A LITTLE

PAMPHLET OF A BIBLE VERSE,
OF 1 JOHN 4,

ON THIS GUY’S DOORSTEP.
SID: WHAT IS THAT?

RON: WELL, HIS STORY GOES
LIKE THIS.

HE WAS WALKING TO THE
OUTHOUSE –

SID: NO, NO, WHAT DOES
1 JOHN 4 SAY?

RON: IT’S – OH, WELL, I’LL
GET THERE IN A SEC. (LAUGHS)

OKAY. HE WAS WALKING TO HIS
OUTHOUSE AND BEING LED

BY THE SPIRIT, AND HE SAID
HE TRIPPED OVER HIS DOORSTEP

OF HIS HOUSE, AND HIS NOSE
FELL ON THAT LITTLE PAMPHLET.

AND HE TOOK IT AS A SIGN
FROM GOD TO READ IT.

SO HE BROUGHT IT IN HIS
LITTLE HUT, AND HE SAT DOWN

AND HE READ THIS LITTLE
PAMPHLET.

WELL, 1 JOHN 4 SAYS,
“BELOVED,

TEST THE SPIRITS; NOT
EVERY SPIRIT COMES FROM GOD.”

IT DOESN’T SAY
SPIRITS AREN’T REAL.

IT SAYS NOT EVERY ONE
COMES FROM GOD.

WELL, IF IT DOESN’T COME
FROM GOD,

WHERE ELSE DOES IT COME
FROM?

NOT EVERY SPIRIT COMES
FROM GOD,

AND IF IT COMES FROM GOD,
THEN IT WILL CONFESS THAT

JESUS HAS COME
IN THE FLESH.

IF NOT, IT’S THE SPIRIT OF
THE ANTI-CHRIST,

WHICH IS EVEN HERE
TO THIS DAY.

WELL, THIS GUY READ THIS
OVER AND OVER AGAIN,

AND THERE MIGHT HAVE BEEN A
LITTLE PRAYER AT THE END,

OR WHATEVER, BUT HIS STORY
IS THAT WITHIN SIX MONTHS,

THAT SPIRIT OF SAI BABA,
THAT POWER THAT WAS

OVER HIM,
STARTED TO LEAVE HIM.

HE GOT HIS VOICE BACK
AND WHATEVER,

AND THAT’S WHEN
WE SHOWED UP.

HE LOOKED AT ME AND HE
SAID – I WAS CALLED

SWAMI DAVI DOTTER – HE SAID,
“BLESS YOU.

I WANT YOU TO GO IN THIS
LITTLE YOGA HUT AND

TEST THE SPIRIT YOURSELF AND
SEE WHAT HAPPENS.”

SID: DID YOU? RON:
SO, I WENT IN AND, AGAIN –

A LOT OF STORY SHORT,
WHY I WOULD EVEN DO THAT –

BUT I SAT CROSS-LEGGED ON
THE FLOOR OF THIS LITTLE HUT

AND, YOU KNOW, I
OPENED MY MOUTH,

AND LOOK WHAT CAME
OUT OF MY MOUTH!

YOU KNOW, I’M JEWISH!
I WAS NEVER IN A CHURCH.

I KNOW NOTHING ABOUT
CHRISTIANITY OR MESSIANIC –

I KNEW NOTHING ABOUT IT.
I OPENED MY MOUTH AND

I SAID, “SHAKTI.” NOW, I WAS
ABLE TO SPEAK TO THAT SPIRIT

THAT WAS IN MY BODY.
SID: WHO WAS SHAKTI –

RON: SHAKTI WAS A PERSON;
A PERSONALITY;

A SPIRIT THAT LIVED
INSIDE OF MY BODY,

THAT I WAS VERY IN TOUCH
WITH, VERY IN CONTACT WITH.

I KNEW IT WAS THERE.
AND I SAID,

“SHAKTI, DO YOU CONFESS
JESUS AS LORD?”

A STRANGE THING
FOR A JEW TO SAY!

“SHAKTI, DO YOU CONFESS
JESUS AS LORD?”

SID: SO WHAT DID HE SAY?

RON: WELL, WITHIN TEN
MINUTES SOMETHING LIKE A

PING-PONG BALL WAS
STARTING TO GO UP AND DOWN

MY BACK, AND I KNEW IT WAS
THIS YOGA KUNDALINI SPIRIT.

WELL, SOMETHING
CROSSED MY MIND, TO ASK

JESUS INTO MY HEART. WELL, I
WAS SURE HE WAS IN THERE.

EVERYBODY ELSE WAS IN THERE.
SID: I REMEMBER! (LAUGHS)

RON: SO I SAID, “JESUS,
COME INTO MY HEART!”

AND THEN I SAID AGAIN,
“SHAKTI, DO YOU

CONFESS JESUS AS LORD?”
AND WITHIN TWO HOURS,

THAT HOLY YOGA KUNDALINI
SPIRIT, SAI BABA SPIRIT,

LEFT MY FEET INTO THE
GROUND, AND I STOOD UP AND

WALKED OUT OF THERE –
A RONALD COHEN, WHO I WAS

MANY YEARS BEFORE THAT. AND
THE FIRST THING I NOTICED –

SID: HOLD THAT THOUGHT!
[MUSIC ♪]

WE’RE GOING TO FIND OUT
ABOUT

THE FIRST THING HE NOTICED,
AND WE’RE GOING TO FIND OUT

EVEN MORE THAN HE
BARGAINED FOR.

BE RIGHT BACK.

WE’LL RETURN WITH SID ROTH
AND “IT’S SUPERNATURAL!”

RIGHT AFTER THIS.

[MUSIC ♪]

SID: HELLO, SID ROTH HERE.

I’M SO ENGROSSED WITH WHAT
RON COHEN IS TELLING ME.

DID YOU CATCH WHAT HE
SAID?

THAT THIS SPIRIT – HE’S
PRACTICING YOGA –

AND THIS SPIRIT, WHEN HE
SAYS,

“DO YOU CONFESS
JESUS CHRIST AS LORD?”,

IT LEFT THROUGH YOUR FEET
AND INTO THE GROUND.

AND WHAT HAPPENED NEXT?
RON: YES.

AND I GOT UP AND I WALKED
OUT OF THERE, AND

THE FIRST THING I NOTICED –
AND AGAIN, MY “DISCIPLES” –

MY PEOPLE – WERE ALL AROUND
WAITING FOR ME –

THE FIRST THING I NOTICED
WAS THAT EVERY LIGHT,

EVERY AURA, EVERY RAINBOW,
EVERY PSYCHIC ABILITY

WAS COMPLETELY GONE
WHEN THAT SPIRIT WAS GONE.

SID: DID THIS BOTHER YOU?
RON: WELL, IT DIDN’T

IN A SENSE BECAUSE I
KNEW WHY IT WAS GONE.

SID: WHY? RON:
BECAUSE THE NAME

OF JESUS WAS MORE POWERFUL
THAN WHAT WAS IN ME;

BECAUSE AT THE MENTION OF
THE NAME OF JESUS,

“SHAKTI, DO YOU CONFESS
JESUS AS LORD?”,

THIS THING HAD TO LEAVE.

SID: WAIT A SECOND, THESE
THINGS HAD A LOT OF POWER!

RON: A LOT OF POWER. AND YET,
THIS WAS FAR MORE POWERFUL,

AND IT DROVE OUT
ALL OF THE PSYCHIC ABILITIES

AND THE SPIRIT
THAT WAS THERE.

SID: YOU KNOW, YOU HAD
TOLD ME BEFORE WE

WENT ON THE AIR THAT
THE TALMUD SAYS

THERE ARE THREE
MESSIANIC MIRACLES.

RON: YES.
SID: WHAT ARE THEY, AND

DID YOU SEE THEM DUPLICATED
WITHIN THE NEW AGE?

RON: WELL, OVER IN INDIA
THERE ARE MANY,

MANY MIRACLES THAT
HAPPENED,

AND IN THE WHOLE NEW AGE
MOVEMENT,

YOU KNOW, SIGNS AND THINGS
LIKE THAT, BUT

IN THE TALMUD IT’S CALLED
“THREE MESSIANIC MIRACLES’.

THESE ARE MIRACLES THAT
ONLY THE MESSIAH

WOULD BE ABLE TO DO.
AND THE FIRST THING WAS

HEALING SOMEONE THAT
WAS BORN BLIND.

NOW, IN INDIA THERE ARE,
YOU KNOW,

ALL KINDS OF SICK PEOPLE
THAT ARE THERE.

SID: LOTS OF BLIND PEOPLE.

RON: I’VE NEVER SEEN OR
HEARD OF –

IN ALL OF THE STUDIES THAT I
STUDIED,

SAND SCRIPT AND A LOT OF
WRITINGS –

I NEVER HEARD OF ANYONE
BLIND THAT WAS EVER

MIRACULOUSLY HEALED.
SID: BORN BLIND.

RON: YEAH, BORN BLIND, AND
YOU KNOW, THAT’S WHY,

IN THE SCRIPTURES, IT SO
TALKS ABOUT THE PHARISEES.

THEY WENT TO THIS BOY THAT
WAS HEALED –

THAT JESUS HEALED; THIS
BOY THAT WAS BORN BLIND –

AND THEY SAID,
“YOU’VE GOT TO BE LYING!

IT’S IMPOSSIBLE!”
THEN THEY GOT THE MOTHER,

AND YOU KNOW, THEY SAY
IT’S GOT TO BE SIN.

THIS COULDN’T
POSSIBLY! BECAUSE FOR THEM

TO ADMIT THAT A BOY BORN
BLIND WAS HEALED,

WOULD BE TO ADMIT THAT JESUS
WAS THE MESSIAH.

SID: OBVIOUSLY.

RON: THE SECOND MESSIANIC
MIRACLE IS HEALING A LEPER.

NOW, IN ALL OF INDIA, AND
I SAW LEPERS!

SID: ALL THE LEPERS
THEY HAVE THERE!

RON: I’VE BEEN IN LEPER
COLONIES IN INDIA,

AND I’VE SEEN
WHOLE HUDDLES AND THAT;

NEVER HEARD OF A
LEPER HEALED.

SID: I INTERVIEWED A MAN
THAT PRAYED FOR

HUNDREDS OF LEPERS
THAT WERE SET FREE.

RON: YES! YES! HEALED, IN
THE NAME OF JESUS!

SID: IN THE NAME OF JESUS!
(LAUGHS)

RON: IN JESUS’ NAME,YEAH.
AND AGAIN, THAT’S WHY IN

THE GOSPELS, THAT WHEN
THE LEPERS WERE HEALED,

JESUS ALWAYS SENT THEM
BACK TO THE TEMPLE

TO SHOW THEMSELVES.
SID: YES.

RON: BECAUSE FOR THE
HIGH PRIEST TO SAY,

“HEY, A LEPER JUST GOT
HEALED!” WOULD MEAN,

HEY, THEN JESUS, THE
MESSIAH, HAD TO BE HERE.

SID: WHAT WAS THE
THIRD MIRACLE?

RON: THE THIRD WAS CASTING
OUT A DEAF AND DUMB SPIRIT,

BECAUSE THE PHARISEES –
SID: AND JESUS DID THAT, TOO!

RON: YEAH, BECAUSE THE
PHARISEES MOVED IN

DELIVERANCE, BUT THEY HAD
TO ASK THE THING ITS NAME,

AND A DEAF AND DUMB SPIRIT
COULDN’T SPEAK.

SO JESUS CAST OUT DEAF AND
DUMB SPIRITS,

SO ALL OF THESE
MIRACLES, NOW, WERE DONE BY THE

MESSIAH, BY JESUS, AND HAS
NEVER BEEN DUPLICATED

IN THE COUNTERFEIT, IN THE
NEW AGE, IN INDIA, OR ANY OF

THAT PSYCHIC REALM HAVE
YOU EVER HEARD OF SOMEONE

BORN BLIND, LEPERS, OR
DEAF AND DUMB SPIRITS.

BUT NOW, AS A BELIEVER,
AND IN OUR MEETINGS –

AND MANY, MANY BELIEVERS CAN
TESTIFY THAT

IN THE NAME OF JESUS,
THEY ARE SEEING

MIRACULOUS HEALINGS IN THOSE –
SID: WAIT A SECOND, NOW.

YOU SAW A LOT OF MIRACULOUS
THINGS GOING ON IN INDIA –

IN THE NEW AGE,
IN INDIA.

YOU ARE SEEING EVEN GREATER
MIRACULOUS THINGS GO ON

TODAY IN THE NAME OF JESUS!
RON: YES.

SID: SO WHAT’S THE
DIFFERENCE?

RON: WELL, FIRST OF ALL, A
HEALING –

A MIRACLE THAT’S DONE IN
THE LORD, IN JESUS’ NAME –

IT DOESN’T HAVE THAT
HEAVINESS THAT SURROUNDS IT.

IT’S ALMOST LIKE AN
ATMOSPHERE,

AND THE ATMOSPHERE IS
HEAVY; IT’S FOGGY;

AND THE GLORY GOES TO THE
MAN THAT DOES IT.

THERE’S ALWAYS A SILENCE
OR A QUIETNESS.

THE GLORY GOES TO THE MAN,
AND THERE’S ALWAYS

A SENSING WITHIN YOU THAT
SOMETHING DARK IS HERE,

EVEN THOUGH WE ARE SEEING
A HEALING.

ALSO, IF YOU ARE EVER
HEALED IN THE PHYSICAL REALM,

YOU’RE BOUND
SOMEWHERE ELSE.

YOU’RE BOUND IN THE SOUL.

THERE ARE PEOPLE IN INDIA
TO THIS DAY THAT WERE

PART OF OUR GROUP 25 YEARS
AGO THAT ARE AFRAID TO LEAVE

THIS GUY’S PRESENCE BECAUSE
THEY’LL LOSE THEIR HEALING.

SID: BOTTOM LINE: WHAT IS
THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN

RON COHEN TODAY,
AND RON COHEN GURU?

RON: FIRST OF ALL,
TODAY I AM FREE.

SECONDLY, I’M
NOT SEARCHING.

I’M LOOKING FOR MORE OF
THE LORD, BUT I’M

NOT ON A SEARCH TRYING
TO FILL SOMETHING INSIDE.

SO EVEN RON COHEN
AS A GURU,

ONE WHO WAS IN SAMADHI,
IN A HIGH PLACE, IN THAT –

THERE WAS STILL THAT INSIDE;
OF KNOWING THERE WAS MORE.

THERE HAD TO BE MORE YET,
BECAUSE I WASN’T THERE.

AND ALSO, THE DEEPER
YOU GOT,

THE MORE BOUND
YOU ACTUALLY GOT.

AND THE OTHER THING, TOO,
IS THAT I SAW – THIS SPIRIT

THAT WAS IN MY BODY TAKES
OVER YOUR EMOTIONS.

YOU END UP WITHOUT EMOTIONS,
WITHOUT FEELINGS,

WITHOUT THOUGHTS, WITHOUT
OUR SENSE OF CONSCIOUSNESS.

WHEN YOU COME TO THE LORD
AND JESUS IS IN YOUR HEART,

FIRST OF ALL, YOU
HAVE A FREEDOM IN YOUR LIFE.

“HE WHO THE SON SETS FREE
IS FREE.”

YOU HAVE A FREEDOM
IN YOUR LIFE.

SID: QUICKLY; TELL ME ONE
QUICK MIRACLE,

ONE SPECIFIC ONE.
RON: WE HAVE SEEN

SO, SO MANY OF THEM,
JUST THESE PAST MONTHS.

THERE WAS A WOMAN IN
CONNECTICUT WHO HAD A

HIP IMPLANT, AND HER LEG
WAS 3-4 INCHES SHORTER

THAN THE OTHER, AND THAT WAS
BECAUSE HER FEMUR BONE AND

ALL WAS CUT. AND WE PRAYED
IN THE NAME OF JESUS.

HER LEG GREW OUT, COMPLETELY
EQUAL TO THE OTHER.

JUST A FEW MONTHS AGO IN
AUSTRALIA A WOMAN WITH MS,

MUSCULAR SCLEROSIS, CAME
IN CRAWLING, FULL OF

TREMORS IN HER BODY.
MIRACULOUSLY HEALED!

WE HAVE HAD SEVERAL JUST
THESE PAST MONTHS,

FULL HEALINGS OF MS, OF
PARKINSON’S,

OF BLINDNESS, FULL
BLINDNESS IN AN EYE.

WE’VE HAD THREE PEOPLE
FULLY DEAF WITH NO EARDRUMS

GET THEIR HEARING BACK.
MANY, MANY CANCERS.

I JUST GET LETTERS OF
TERMINAL –

TERMINAL –
WEEKS LEFT TO LIVE.

SID: WE’RE COMING INTO A
TIME, RON,

AND I KNOW THAT YOU
KNOW IT,

THAT THE TRUE MIRACLES OF
GOD ARE GOING TO BE

SWEEPING THIS EARTH. AND
THERE ARE PEOPLE RIGHT NOW

THAT NEED A TRUE MIRACLE
FROM GOD.

RON, I WANT YOU TO PRAY
DIRECTLY, QUICKLY,

FOR THESE PEOPLE
RIGHT NOW.

RON: THANK YOU, LORD.

LORD, I THANK YOU FOR THOSE
THAT ARE WATCHING TODAY.

FATHER, I THANK YOU THAT
YOU ARE THE TRUTH.

“YOU ARE THE WAY,
THE TRUTH, AND THE LIFE.”

LORD, WHERE THE
ENEMY HAS COME

TO ROB, KILL AND
DESTROY, PEOPLE’S LIVES,

FATHER, PHYSICALLY IN
THEIR BODY;

EMOTIONALLY – THE
DEPRESSION;

THE THINGS THAT ARE SO
GOING ON IN PEOPLE’S LIVES.

THE HURTS AND THE PAINS,
THE PHYSICAL SICKNESSES:

JESUS HAS COME TODAY
TO GIVE YOU LIFE,

AND LIFE ABUNDANTLY.
SO IN THE NAME OF THAT LIFE,

IN THE NAME OF
JESUS CHRIST,

I SPEAK HEALING
TO YOU TODAY.

TO THOSE THAT HAVE
ARTHRITIS IN THE HIPS,

I COMMAND THE HEALING.

I COMMAND EVERY ARTHRITIC
SYMPTOM OUT OF YOUR BODY –

THE BLOOD DISEASES,
THE LEUKEMIA,

THE HARDENING OF
THE MARROW –

I COMMAND HEALED.

I JUST SENSE THERE’S
PEOPLE WITH LUNG DISEASES

WATCHING TODAY,
EMPHYSEMA AND SUCH.

I COMMAND HEALING OF EVERY
LUNG, DISEASE, IN JESUS’ NAME.

COLITIS, AND DIVERTICULITIS,
AND COLON DISEASES HEALED,

IN JESUS’ NAME.
SID: AND COME ON BACK

NEXT WEEK,
AND WE’LL CONTINUE THIS!

IT’S GOOD TO KNOW
THE LIVING GOD!

IT’S GOOD, I TELL YOU!