In this It’s Supernatural! Classic episode from 1998: All Carol Kornacki knew was rejection, molestation and violence as a child. She thought she found the truth in witchcraft, until the spirits turned on her.
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all carol knew was rejection molestation
and violence as a child she thought she
found the truth in witchcraft until the
spirits turned on her life after death
experiences and until a communications
are on the increase terminally ill
patients from doctors have given no hope
our unexplainably cured in blur being
mysteriously protected from natural
disasters Sid Roth your investigative
reporter examines this invisible world
on it’s supernatural
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hello I’ve said brought my guest
Karen Kornacki abusive dysfunctional
these are terms we hear quite a bit but
Carol we have to come up with a new
adjective to describe your home tell me
about your mom
my mother was probably one of the most
violent women I have ever met said when
the weekends would come my mom and dad
would drink excessively and they would
come home from bars four o’clock in the
morning when I’d be lying in my bed and
all out the children in the house
because it was a large family of ten and
we lived in a little cracker box and at
four o’clock in the morning we would
wake up as children almost like crackers
we just sit up in our beds because we
knew any moment it was going to start
and you see the lights of the car come
up the driveway and mom and dad would
come in and from the moment they walk
through the door it was a reign of
terror she would break everything I mean
every dish out of the cupboard she would
pick up beer bottles and smash him
against the wall
she would throw forks that would land in
his chest she would throw I remember we
had a gold glass ashtray and it sailed
through the air and us little children
would come out of our bunk beds and we’d
come down to the end of the skinny
little Hall and we’d be screaming no
mommy no daddy and I would be shielding
with my older brother and sister the
small children so they wouldn’t get hit
by the ashtrays there would be things
throwing a flying through the air SID
everywhere and then all of a sudden
you’d see the red and blue light which
indicated that the police were coming
and to us children in the middle of that
violence it was almost like a piece
because here would come the police up
the drive when they knock on the door
and they’d come they say mr. and mrs.
Thompson that was my maiden name mr. and
mrs. Thompson we come here every weekend
the house would be erect my mother’s
clothes would be ripped off she’d be
walking around exposed my father would
have blood all over his face there’d be
blood on the wall it was a terrible I
hate to say this but did you think this
was almost the normal way to live or did
you know something was wrong I think for
a long time said we thought it was the
normal way to live and then when you
started going to other children’s house
and you saw parents touching their
children showing love toward their job
they ever touch you and show love Sid my
memory of my mom and this is the truth
when I was a little girl she we used to
sit on the floor in the living room they
were like 10 of us in the small house
again
and I’d be watching TV and all of a
sudden on the clear blue sky in the dark
from the couch she’d come her I feel her
hand swinging through the air all you
see is the wind and her fist would hit
my mouth and the blood would just
trickle down my face and my lips would
blow up my mom was so violent that one
time I asked her if I could go to a
baseball game or something with the kids
in the neighborhood and for daring to
ask her why when she said no she took in
all those squeegees you used to wash a
windshield one side sir he washed the
other side you rub it off with the
rubber and said she beat me so bad till
I was black and blue from my neck to my
waist at out of curiosity what was her
background that caused her to act like
that did she have an abusive family I
guess she mostly yeah she came as a
illegitimate child out of three children
she never knew that the man who was
raised in it was matter daddy one day he
cornered her to beat her and she picked
up a knife and threatened him don’t you
hit me you’re not my father
so she always felt that rejection that
she wasn’t loved because she too was you
know she lived in a family where she
didn’t see love so when she had these
all these ten children I mean my mother
had children since she was 19
every single year she’s like a gerbil
she had children every single year so
here she was a young woman with nine
children in this tiny little house and
the only extracurricular activity was
alcoholic so why did your father come
against this my dad was mentally ill
when my father was about 28 years old he
became very
his kidneys he went into the hospital he
was about 35 to have an operation while
he was there they gave him an
anaesthetic they had tried a brand new
anesthetic on him
Syd it made him totally crazy he
dismissed himself from the hospital
after the operation he came home he
started beating the children up trying
to choke my mother hanging himself in
the cellar one particular time when my
mother had been out all night because my
mom ran around all the time she had a
fair after a fair of in fact out of all
ten children it was believed that I was
the only one who wasn’t really my
father’s child that I was born out of
one of her affairs but one day she was
out all night with a man and my dad was
home alone he was on a drug called
Thorazine and the reason he took that it
was because of his mental state and he
would escape the mental institutions in
come home and this was one night he had
escaped from the mental institution in
his home and she was gone all night with
a man well he had fallen asleep on the
couch with the Thorazine and the alcohol
content in his body it put him in a
terrible state and I heard a screeching
in the living room and one of the little
kids came and what meant they said Carol
the house is on fire
so I shuffled off the bunk bed and got
all my little brothers and sisters out
and I started to try to get him out of
the house we lived in Buffalo it was the
middle of the night the snow was three
feet high oh so cold and when I tried to
get him out my dad got up in this
drunken demonic State this the state of
a drug induced state and he blocked the
exit of the house and I was trying to
get the children to climb over me was
growling in this mental state and I said
dad please if the house is on fire we
can’t get out we can’t breathe so he put
us in the cellar next to a furnace and
he started another couch on fire with
the hopes that the whole house would
explode and that all of us would die in
it I can remember being woke up one time
sit at about four o’clock in the morning
and brought out into the kitchen my
daddy didn’t like me out of any of those
kids because he knew that I was somebody
else’s and he brought myself and my
little sister Debbie OTT and we were
standing in the kitchen and he handed me
a cup of poison to drink my mother and
my frozen so help me mom and dad was
standing there it was poison and he said
my mother wants to give it to my little
sister Debbie this is how insane and
dysfunctional his home was and my father
said don’t give it to her give it to her
and so this little pink melmac cup I’ll
never forget it was handed to
and as I put it to the my mouth and I
could feel the poison burning my mouth
my mother in a last moment in a drunken
state hit it out of my hand and said
you’d feed her poison and he said I
would kill her there was so much
dysfunction said that eventually incest
crept into the home I remember I used to
lay in bed in the middle of the night
and hear my sister on the top bunk
my dad’s natural daughter scream as he
would rape her my mother would be gone
all night and I would be afraid to do
anything because what could I say to my
dad I hear crying no daddy no daddy and
after he leaves she’d come down and
cuddle in my bed and cry because of the
molestation then it began to go through
the family my older brother began to
molest all of us children the mall
station began to flow through the family
when I went to my mom and told her that
my dad was raping my older sister I was
beaten for it not only by her but for my
father more because I dared to suggest
that something like that was going on so
it was alcoholism violence mental
illness sexual abuse and emotional abuse
SID in the years that I spent in that
house I can’t remember once my mother
ever walking up to me and ever touching
me other than to hit me or to correct me
or to rebuke me for something I was
doing I was scared to death of my mother
and certainly afraid of my dad so I got
to the point where I said one of these
days when I’m old enough no matter what
it takes pregnancy or what I’m getting
out of here and I’m going to find two
things I’m going to find power and I’m
going to find love you see my mom was
into spiritualism and she used to go to
a place called Lily Dale in Jamestown
New York it was a self-contained
spiritualist camp and she would go there
and hear all these past president future
things tea leaves and cards and she’d
come home with Mrak miraculous stories
actually of these things they were going
to happen in our home and so they’d
happen and I would go to church on
Sunday and I’d be sitting on this pew
looking up at this dead man on a cross
and I’d say where are you who are you
and I would think he’s dead he’s a big
plastered depiction of a man who’s dead
Warren why would you think that because
I would always thought where are you
when my brother’s molesting you mean
where am i are you and my mommy slapping
me where are you my father’s beating me
for nothing where are you and more
hungry where are you and there is no
milk in the house and there
no serial no one explained anything to
me so I left it at he’s dead I’m going
to find power so my mother coming home
with spiritualist stories intrigued me
and I would think that’s where the power
is they know things that nobody else
knows so that’s where the power is when
I was barely out of my teens I got
pregnant with my first child my mother
literally physically said removed me out
of the house by my hair I was thrown out
I went into the street the streets yes
it must be a very I mean it was scary in
the home maybe the streets were better
than your home from what you told me
it’s been like it was a little safer and
there I could fight back if I got into a
confrontation I could fight back I never
raised my hand to my mother or my father
I didn’t dare because I knew it was
awesome but when I had my first child
she was about three months old I was
living in a little Coldwater flat and
she was down in a little runabout and I
found out I was pregnant for the second
time I was in a very promiscuous
lifestyle so they sent a woman to my
house gave illegal abortions she came
into my home with a little brown paper
bag dirty fingernails she was hunched
over she was about 68 years old and she
came up the stairs of this Coldwater
flat in Buffalo laid me on the bed
examined me very quickly took a long
rubber hollow tube out of the play out
of the brown bag inserted a long piece
of wire into the yellow tube and went
inside my body steady in at least three
different times she released the the
wire and left the yellow tube and said
you will experience your first abortion
the baby will die by bleeding that was
my first experience with a boy now how
in the world were you able to cope with
yourself and your daughter I was reached
I wasn’t well I was living in a
Coldwater flat at this time and then
that the New York State took my little
girl away from me I became an instant
alcoholic and began to tamper did it
bother you at that time that they took
your daughter away I mean it seemed to
me there was a relief that I came from a
home right I know the meaning of love I
thought love was getting drunk and
raping your daughter or slapping in the
face or saying I didn’t have you because
I love do you were an accident that’s
what I thought love consisted of I
thought power was some tea leaves
written or some psychic cards right
that’s what I thought power and love was
I was totally confused
were you ever hugged I don’t mean in a
sexual way but I mean
in a loving way as you know no said no
said I would have gave my arm up to hear
if my mother would have just touched me
lightly it was basically either you saw
her head coming or you saw this coming
or a belt coming and there were times I
had spankings come and don’t think they
were just beating me day and night there
were times when I disobeyed was
rebellious and had a spanking coming the
majority of them they weren’t warranted
when I finally get out of there and
after the first abortion and my child
being taken away I became increasingly
dependent on drugs I became pregnant for
the third time this time I went into the
Larkin building on Seneca Street in
Buffalo New York and stood at the top of
30 concrete stairs and in a desperate
attempt because of the inconvenience
inside my body
because I didn’t think anybody loves me
and I wasn’t worth anything and they had
taken the first child I had boarded the
second my mother didn’t love me my dad
didn’t care and he already was in a
mental institution permanently I threw
myself down 30 concrete stairs SID I
rolled like a bowling ball down those
stairs and landed at the bottom and shot
I was in complete shock shaking they
rushed me to Buffalo General Hospital
and when they checked me they said that
this leg I had done damage to it they
said you’re also pregnant I said if you
don’t give me an abortion I’ll go to the
top floor to the roof and I’ll jump off
Carol hold that thought I’m going to
tell you something there are so many
people that are watching us right now
that have so much hurt inside Carol
understands this hurt and understands
the answer you’ll hear it when we come
back
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we’ll return to it’s supernatural right
after this
Sid Roth with Carol Kornacki as I said
at the front of the show
abusive dysfunctional she needs a new
adjective she’s got her third pregnancy
she tells the people in the hospital
she’ll literally go to the top floor of
the hospital and jump if they don’t give
her an abortion you really said that I
meant it
you didn’t care whether you lived or
died I had absolutely said I used to
always refer to myself as the dirt on
the bottom of the someone’s shoe and
that the best thing for me would be to
die so when I told them that they
realized how serious I was they sent me
to psychiatrists because at the time
they gave therapeutical abortions the
Roe versus Wade hadn’t come into effect
as of yet so they gave therapeutical
abortions if you these two psychiatrists
deemed you unable to carry the child
then they gave you the abortion they
came and I’ll never forget it so the guy
pounded on his little pad like you got
there listened to me for two and a half
minutes you’re totally dysfunctional
absolutely unstable permit abortion the
second guy came in did the same thing
pounded his pencil he looked up he said
just give her an abortion I received
that they call it DMC it was my second
abortion when I left the hospital I was
so broken by that time helplessly
addicted to drugs I got what they call
peritonitis and it is a very severe
infection in your innards it almost
killed me when I got out of hospital
peritonitis I left for New York City I
spent 11 days there and learned how to
be a heroin addict they found me in the
Brentwood apartments after 11 days
walking around New York City aimlessly
lying in a pool of my own body secretion
they washed me up put me on a train and
sent me back to Buffalo in New York
where I continued to grow in my drug
addiction now I was a needle freak I was
pushing needles and how are you
supporting her but I never got into
prostitution but I always found a way
either stealing or working as best I
could or begging for enough money or
using welfare checks that I was getting
to live on because I was I couldn’t work
that was very very sick physically so
that I would also use to get my drugs I
met a young girl named Linda and Linda
was into what she called white
witchcraft this is important that your
audience listened to this part because
there
no such thing as white witchcraft
witchcraft is witchcraft Samantha the
the friendly witch
you’re telling me is not a friendly
power no sir she’s operating in demonic
powers given to her and able to express
these powers in her psychic by spirits
and so I began to be very interested in
power because remember I was looking for
the love and power and I sure wasn’t
found in love
I was sleeping around within a terrible
person for mysterious lifestyle and only
getting hurt more now here I was looking
for power and she’s telling me I can
have all kinds of power well I was
enamored with the idea I got all the
books your kid on witchcraft out of
California Louise Hitler was the top
which of the day I studied everything
there was to know about tarot cards
tired reading everything to know about
ask the projection Tibetan Book of the
Dead Buddhism anything there wasn’t know
about spirit guides and what I would do
is I would ask her project out of the
body and abling spirits to come in
because in witchcraft I believe that if
I could get my own spirit I could be
empowered by bringing spirit guides in
now understand I was of the mind that
these spirits that were coming in spirit
guides were nice spirits that were
people that had passed away throughout
the centuries there’s a nice word that’s
used on most TV it’s called channeling
about what you were doing I was doing
that as well but what would happen with
me is I would begin to gargle these
voices almost demonically they would
come out in a demonic sound and so now
here I was so interested in witchcraft
here I was in Buddhism reincarnation
planning to kill myself so that I could
I could go back in reincarnation means
return it means enter back into life
return to the flesh so I believe that if
I killed myself I’d be born inside the
wool again and through the Tibetan Book
of the Dead I would learn that soul
migration be born into the earth and
have another chance have a better mother
have a better father not be a drug
addict so I became very very studious
about astrology witchcraft tired reading
and that card really became my niche
said I would walk into a room with a
deck of cards and read everybody’s mail
just by that deck of cards and I thought
I was the best thing since the
McDonald’s hamburger I thought I had
finally come to a place of prominence
because I could intimidate people I
could make them afraid of me because I
was operating in
these powers and I never knew they were
demonic or evil I thought that I had
come into this great power that I had
been looking for the trouble is when you
play with the devil he doesn’t play fair
he’ll give you everything you want all
the drugs you want all the women you
want all the promises and all the power
you want and when he’s done with you
he’ll kick the legs out from under you
sounds like the Broadway play Damn
Yankees another soul to the devil and
they become a champion baseball player I
never saw that but that’s interesting
and that’s why you’re rock stars
sometimes say I sold my soul to the
devil
because once you make that that trade
he’ll give you what you want but people
need to understand that the devil is not
sharing his kingdom with anyone he’s
selfish and hateful and his personality
is that of hate and violence and so as I
began to encounter these spirits from a
pleasant person even though I was a
falldown drug addict I began to take on
the personality of the devil I began to
act I began to hate that began become
violent in my head and I hate you much
of you you hate all of anymore
really Oh hate all the more and I love
to see people hurt like I’d like to do a
card reading why knew a man was
committing adultery I’d name names and
it was just an evil behavior and so here
I was with these spirits operating in
despair cursing people I curse one man
said he fell three stories into a
wheelbarrow thank God that we all bear
over there as he would have been killed
I was asked at rejecting I was studying
all this witchcraft I thought everything
was wonderful the same spirit as you
said in the opening that gave me power
began to turn on me why would they turn
on you because the personality of
spirits of darkness is not a nice
friendly personality you can tell any my
people that are deeply involved in
witchcraft the way they dress the way
they act ghoulish and black nails and
dark colors and very strange Oteri’s
like I used to watch westerns as a kid
and in the Western a new guy comes into
town and goes and plays poker and he
wins and the next day he said boy these
are country bumpkins I’m going to take
them for all they’re worth and he bets
everything he has in the game is fixed
and he loses everything he has excellent
and that’s
exactly the way it happens – that’s
excellent and that’s exactly what had
happened to me I thought I had arrived
but as these spirits began to turn into
torment the same stirrups that gave me
power to read cards and after project
and operate in the solar core power the
psyche power would turn on me what does
that mean what do you mean turn on you
it was as if all of a sudden the same
voices that would say this man is
committing adultery or this woman steals
at work or this girl’s going to get
married last year when I was reading
cards would now say to me you should die
it’s better than look that said I would
walk around with a gun in my mouth I
remember the metal used to burn my
tongue I would just suck on a gun
waiting for the moment to stop this
power that I had entered into the stop
the destruction of my mind my drugs
increase I would take needle Sid and
people that were the worst drug addicts
in town would not get high with me I
would go into a bathroom and take a
needle and bang it into my arms I had
sick gross all the way down today’s and
see they’re totally gone but thick
groves and abscesses all the way up and
down my arms in that drugged state I’d
go out and become even more promiscuous
hoping that someone would just love me
for a little while that’s what our kids
are doing today said they want somebody
to love them for 15 minutes that’s why
sex has become an everyday movement I
mean it’s nothing to be 11 years old and
go to bed with your boyfriend that you
go to school with and so here I was
mailing myself with needles blood coming
out demon possessed from the the the
spirits died invited inside broken in
one particular time in all the story
they live in a mental institution CID
they locked me behind a metal door
that’s how crazy I got my arms were full
of needle marks my nose was full of
blood from cocaine they put me in a room
locked me in because I had now had serum
hepatitis which you get some filthy
needles so they had locked me in a
mental institution in the K Ward and
Memorial Hospital in Buffalo New York
with needle marks with mental crazy
screaming in my head giving me a liquid
diet to try to clear up the hepatitis
when they finally let me out I became
pregnant again
oh no this time I went to the buff the
Erie County State Building in Buffalo
New York and got a legal abortion so
when I left that medical building that
day after that abortion and it’s still
talk about it hurts a little
I remember sitting down for the first
time saying I wanted that babes that
baby I wanted because I felt like I had
such a low opinion of myself that maybe
this child could change things for me of
course it was too late so here I was I
had had three abortions a child that was
taken away from me I was hopelessly
drug-addicted the doctor comes to me and
he says to me you have chronic active
hepatitis your M signs are right off the
hinges you probably and what does that
mean
chronic it means that a chronic means
it’s constantly going on active means
it’s happening right now and hepatitis B
is a very serious form of hepatitis he
told me that my liver was turning into a
piece of leather it was in that state
that I decided that it didn’t matter if
I live I increased my drugs I increased
the insanity increase the promiscuous
life increased hatred was full of
violence and totally suicidal and then
one day standing in a fire standing in a
bar serving drinks feeling from the
place everything they had stealing and
lying and getting high in the bathroom a
young woman approached me named Linda
Smith and you know what said she really
believed in the power of God she knew
I’d experienced the power darkness that
I knew it was out there that it worked
but she wanted me to see a higher power
a greater power that superseded the
power that I was operating and so what
did you think of this window I thought
that she talked the talk and didn’t just
she walk the walk and just sit and talk
to talk a lot of people talk the talk
and walk the walk and Linda just showed
the love of God in the way she acted
she didn’t come out with all these
spiritual lingo Conda but you told me as
a kid getting care for this Jesus
because now I was at a place she was
introducing a man to me a man that
didn’t rape you beat you use you put you
on the streets and stick needles in your
arms a man that was the son of God loved
you for the way you are not for 15
minutes loved you for who you were and
who was able to reach down in that liver
and reconstruct it reach into that belly
full of blood from bleeding altars
reconstruct and heal that reach into a
mind that was mentally ill reconstruct
that reach into a heart that’s broken
and put it all back together just
because he’s a man who loves mankind
because it was the son of God
how
huh she took me to church she took meant
to pass why don’t you go to church
because I was dying and there was no
hope I figured I’m gonna die anyway
let’s go see and you know what really
influenced me to be very honest the last
few minutes of this program she acted
like a person who didn’t just put on a
facade of Christianity she lived it
she walked that she won’t impress
anybody said she wanted to introduce to
a dying demon-possessed [ __ ] which she
wanted to introduce that human being to
a man who changed her life you went into
that church I Walter I was dressed lewd
I had demons in my eyes they were
screaming all over to kick you out well
some of them weren’t everything to do
with me but Sid in a very quick moment I
know we’re coming to the end of your
program in a quick moment the man on the
platform said if you need God to touch
you if you need healing in your body
come on up
I took the longest walk in my life when
I got to the platforms of the state
brings tears to my eyes Jesus Christ was
waiting for me within an instant within
an instant and I have medical reports in
a moment of a prayer of 1,800 strangers
I didn’t know my first name the church
stood forth the blood-bought church
began to sing the blood of Jesus and in
a moment when they began to call on the
name that people curse the name of power
and ability my liver was healed my
stomach was healed my mind was restored
and I left that church said never to be
the same from that time the day I left
that church a process of healing began
what about drugs I was instantly
delivered I had Sid no cold turkey that
means to come off a drug none of that I
was instantly delivered from drug
addiction instantly delivered for mental
illness instantly delivered from chronic
active hepatitis instantly delivered
from peptic bleeding alters and the Holy
Spirit the only spirit that lives in me
now you can have all those other demons
the only spirit that lives inside me now
and the power and the supernatural
anointing began a process of demons
coming out releasing out of this temple
the only spirit in me now sir is the
Spirit of God and my life has been
changed ever since my mother got saved
my brother Ronnie got save from
homosexuality my father got saved they
all got saved let me tell you something
what carol has just said there is such
danger
I mean danger in the new age that most
people are not aware of I want her back
on our next program and I want her to
explain exactly how these powers operate
and the difference between these powers
and the real thing you see a counterfeit
cannot be a counterfeit unless it’s a
counterfeit of the real thing
and for this reincarnation business it’s
a lie
you live once and then comes the
judgment choose this day whom you shall
serve but as for me in my house
we’re serving the Living God
you