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[MUSIC♪]
ANNOUNCER: TODAY
ON, IT’S SUPERNATURAL,
A YOUNG MAN IS HEALED OF
SOMETHING DOCTORS SAY
IS IMPOSSIBLE
TO HEAL; AUTISM.
[MUSIC♪] ANNOUNCER: CAN
ANCIENT SECRETS OF THE
SUPERNATURAL BE
RE-DISCOVERED?
DO ANGELS EXIST?
IS THERE LIFE AFTER DEATH?
ARE HEALING MIRACLES REAL?
CAN YOU GET SUPERNATURAL
HELP FROM ANOTHER
DIMENSION?
HAS THE FUTURE BEEN
WRITTEN IN ADVANCE?
SID ROTH HAS SPENT 30
YEARS RESEARCHING THE
STRANGE WORLD OF THE
SUPERNATURAL.
JOIN SID ON THIS EDITION
OF ‘IT’S
SUPERNATURAL!'[MUSIC ENDS]
SR: HELLO,
SID ROTH HERE.
WELCOME TO MY WORLD WHERE
IT’S NATURALLY
SUPERNATURAL.
I DON’T KNOW ABOUT YOU BUT
I HAVE BEEN BREATHING THE
AIR OF HEAVEN, AND I LOVE
THAT ATMOSPHERE.
WHAT HAPPENS WHEN A JEWISH
DOCTOR HAS AN INCURABLE
ILLNESS STARING HIM IN THE
FACE AND THE MOTHER COMES
IN AND SAYS, “A MIRACLE
HAPPENED.
MY SON IS HEALED!”
AND THIS JEWISH DOCTOR
SAYS-.
YEAH, WITH HIS OWN WORDS,
WE HAVE IT ON TAPE.
WE’LL LET YOU VIEW IT IN
JUST A COUPLE OF MINUTES.
HE SAYS, “THIS IS A
MIRACLE.”
KAREN, WHEN YOU HAD JAMES,
HE WAS A HEALTHY LITTLE
BOY, THE FIRST 15 MONTHS
OR SO,
TELL ME ABOUT HIM.
KMC: OH, HE WAS WONDERFUL.
HE WAS BORN RIGHT ON TIME,
HAPPY AND HEALTHY.
HE WAS ONE OF THOSE YOU
COULD JUST PASS TO
ANYBODY, VERY CALM.
EVERYTHING WAS PERFECT, HE
WAS RIGHT ON TRACK.
SR: BUT AT 18 MONTHS,
SOMETHING [MUSIC♪] VERY
WEIRD STARTED HAPPENING.
KMC: SOMETHING VERY WEIRD
HAPPENED.
WE HAD TAKEN HIM TO HIS
‘WELL’ CHECK,
AND LITERALLY, HE STARTED
RUNNING TO THE SAME PLACE
IN THE HALLWAY, AND WOULD
STAND BACKWARD AGAINST THE
WALL, AND SLAM HIS HEAD
BACK INTO THE SHEETROCK.
I THOUGHT, “I DON’T KNOW,
MAYBE THIS IS WHAT LITTLE
BOYS DO, MAYBE THIS IS
BEING [MUSIC ENDS] IN THE
TERRIBLE 2’S.
BUT AFTER ABOUT A MONTH,
HE LITERALLY WITH HIS HEAD
[MUSIC♪] BROKE THE
SHEETROCK OPEN.
THERE WAS A HOLE IN THE
SHEETROCK.
SR: BUT THEN HE STARTED
DOING THINGS EVEN WORSE,
BIZARRE, SUCH AS EATING
THE SHEETROCK.
KMC: ABSOLUTELY.
HE WOULD START PICKING
AWAY AT THE SHEETROCK.
HE STARTED EATING THE
RUBBER BACKING OFF OUR
BATHROOM RUGS.
HE ATE THE LINING, THE
RUBBER LINING OUT OF THE
DOOR OF OUR CARS.
[MUSIC ENDS] SR: NOW SHE’S
NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT
SOMETHING.
I GOT THE BILLS HERE.
THERE’S AN $1,850 BILL FOR
SHEETROCK REPAIR.
KMC: RIGHT.
SR: HE WOULD BASH HIS HEAD
IN THE WALL,
TO GET THE SHEETROCK TO
EAT IT.
KMC: HE WAS [MUSIC♪]
OBSESSED WITH PUTTING
THINGS IN HIS MOUTH AND
CHEWING.
HE WOULD EAT A FLIP FLOP
OFF YOUR SHOE,
HE WAS EATING BARK OFF A
TREE.
HE WAS JUST OBSESSED WITH
PUTTING STUFF IN HIS MOUTH
AND EATING IT.
THINGS THAT WERE NOT FOOD.
[MUSIC ENDS] SR: WHEN THE
DOCTORS FINALLY DIAGNOSED
THIS CONDITION, WHAT WAS
IT?
KMC: IT WAS CLASSICALLY
AUTISTIC.
THERE ARE 16 MARKERS THAT
MAKE YOU AUTISTIC,
AND HE HAD ALL BUT ONE OF
THEM.
SR: WHAT’S THE CURE RATE
FOR AUTISM.
KMC: OH, THERE’S NO CURE;
IT’S INCURABLE.
THERE IS NO TREATMENT, AND
THERE IS NO HOPE,
AND YOU HAVE IT FOREVER.
SR: HOW PREVALENT IS IT IN
SOCIETY?
KMC: IT IS WHAT I WOULD
CALL PANDEMIC;
IT’S 1 IN 150 BIRTHS.
SR: 1 IN 150 BIRTHS?
KMC: 1 IN 150-AND SOME
CITIES IT AS HIGH AS 1 IN
98 BIRTHS.
SR: SO HOW DID YOU COPE
WITH THIS SITUATION?
KMC: I COPED, IN EVERY WAY
WRONG.
I COPED WITH DRINKING
[MUSIC♪],
AND EATING, AND
OVERWORKING.
AND I COULDN’T BELIEVE I
WAS IN THIS LONG
NIGHTMARE.
THIS IS NOT WHAT I PRAYED
FOR,
THIS IS NOT WHAT I WANTED.
I WANTED A LITTLE BOY TO
BE THE CAPTAIN OF THE
FOOTBALL TEAM, AND A
DAUGHTER TO BE A
CHEERLEADER.
I DIDN’T WANT THIS RABID
CHILD IN MY HOUSE [MUSIC
ENDS] WITH NO WAY TO
CONTROL HIM.
AND ANY PROFESSIONAL WE
WENT TO,
DOCTORS, SPECIALISTS, THEY
ALL SAID THE SAME THING.
“THIS IS WHAT HE HAS,
THERE’S NO TREATMENT,
THERE’S NO CURE.
HE’LL ALWAYS BE LIKE THIS,
AND AT ONE POINT YOU HAVE
TO PUT HIM IN A HOME.”
SR: NOW, SOMETHING GOOD
CAME INTO YOUR LIFE.
I MEAN THE WAY IT WAS
HEADED,
IT WAS PRETTY BAD.
I MEAN, DID YOU REALLY
FACE THE FACT THAT YOU
WOULD HAVE TO
INSTITUTIONALIZE YOUR SON
SOMEDAY?
KMC: IT TOOK ME A LONG
TIME TO COME TO TERMS WITH
THAT.
BUT I THINK WOMAN
INSTINCTIVELY KNOW THINGS
ARE GETTING BETTER OR
WORSE.
AND BECAUSE HE WAS SO BIG
FOR HIS AGE,
I KNEW THAT I COULD NOT
HANDLE HIM.
BECAUSE WHEN HE GOT UPSET,
HIS RAGE,
WAS OFF THE CHARTS.
HE [MUSIC♪] COULD NOT BE
CONTROLLED.
WHEN HE WAS LITTLE YOU
COULD GIVE HIM A TOY,
OR REDIRECT, BUT AS HE GOT
TO BE 4 AND 5,
HE WAS MUCH BIGGER AND
MUCH OLDER.
AND WE HAD ANOTHER CHILD,
AND HE WAS BEGINNING TO
BE, OF A DANGER TO HER,
SO,
I KNEW THAT MY OPTIONS
WERE LIMITED AND IT WAS
MORE THAN I COULD KEEP
HIM.
I LOVED MY CHILD, I ADORE
HIM,
BUT I HAD NO IDEA WHAT TO
DO WITH HIM [MUSIC ENDS].
I KNEW THAT WE WOULD HAVE
TO PUT HIM IN A HOME.
SR: SO YOU WERE DESPERATE,
YOU TURNED TO DRINKING.
YOU WERE SO DESPERATE, YOU
WENT TO A PRAYER GROUP
THAT HELPED YOU A LITTLE
BIT.
KMC: YES [SMILES] SR: WHAT
DID THEY DO FOR YOU?
KMC: WE WERE DIRECTED BY A
FRIEND OF OURS TO A
DELIVERANCE TEAM CALLED
GOSPEL REVELATION
MINISTRIES.
I SIGNED UP FOR PERSONAL
DELIVERANCE.
I DIDN’T KNOW WHAT THAT
WAS.
I GREW UP IN A
DENOMINATIONAL CHURCH,
BUT I KNEW THAT I NEEDED
TO DO BE THE PERSON GOD
WANTED ME TO BE, SO I
COULD RAISE THIS
HANDICAPPED CHILD.
SO I THOUGHT, “THIS IS
WHAT GOD WANTS ME TO DO.
HE WANTS ME TO BE THIS
GREAT HANDICAP MOTHER,
AND RAISE THIS CHILD, AND
THAT’S WHAT I’LL DO.
AND SO I WENT THROUGH
DELIVERANCE AND [MUSIC♪]
WHERE IT IDENTIFIES WHAT’S
OPERATIONAL IN YOUR LIFE,
WHERE THERE HAVE BEEN SOME
CURSES,
SOME THINGS THAT HAPPENED
TO ME BY OTHER PEOPLE,
MY OWN ACTIONS, AND WORDS,
AND GOD JUST SET ME FREE
FROM ALL THE THINGS THAT
BIND ME UP.
AND I WAS GOING NOW TO
RAISE THIS CHILD [MUSIC
ENDS] THAT GOD HAD GIVEN
ME.
SR: THEY ALSO GAVE YOU
DIRECTION ON SOME THINGS
TO DO AT HOME TO BENEFIT
YOUR SON.
KMC: ABSOLUTELY.
IN THE BEGINNING, IT
WASN’T TIME;
GOD DIDN’T SAY IT WAS TIME
TO TAKE JAMES THROUGH
DELIVERANCE INITIALLY.
BUT THEY DID TELL US TO
ALWAYS PLAY PRAISE MUSIC
CONTINUALLY, PRAISE MUSIC
IS SOMETHING THE ENEMY
CANNOT STAND THE PRESENCE
OF,
AND THAT IMMEDIATELY
CHANGED HIS TEMPERAMENT
[MUSIC♪].
AND I BELIEVE OUR CHILDREN
ARE TORTURED THE MOST AT
NIGHT WHEN THEY SLEEP.
AND ALSO TO ANOINT HIM
WITH OIL [MUSIC ENDS],
AND TO PRAY WITH HIM AND
SEAL THIS VESSEL,
THAT NOTHING COULD ATTACK
HIM OR TORTURE HIM WHILE
HE SLEPT.
AND THAT INITIALLY REALLY
CHANGED HIM.
SR: AND THEN ONE DAY, THEY
SAID SOMETHING THAT
STAGGERED YOU.
KMC: YES.
SR: ABOUT JAMES, YOUR SON.
KMC: YES, THEY SAID THEY
BELIEVE THEY COULD TAKE
JAMES IN DELIVERANCE FOR
AUTISM.
AND I SAID, “OH, THAT’S
NOT POSSIBLE.
IF THAT WAS POSSIBLE, THAT
WOULD BE ON NATIONAL TV
SHOWS.
THAT WOULD BE ON THE NEWS.
NOBODY’S EVER HEALED OF
AUTISM.
AND THEY SAID, “THAT’S
WHAT THE LORD SAID.”
AND SO, WHO AM I TO ARGUE
WITH THE LORD?
AND SO, IN JANUARY OF
2000,
THEY CALLED ME AND SAID,
GOD SAID,
“IT’S TIME NOW.”
AND I SAID, “TIME FOR
WHAT?”
AND THEY SAID, “TO TAKE
JAMES THROUGH DELIVERANCE
FOR AUTISM, AND SO HE
COULD BE COMPLETELY
HEALED.”
SR: NOW, WAS YOUR FAITH
LEVEL THAT SOMETHING GOOD
WAS GOING TO HAPPEN?
OR WERE STILL PRETTY
SKEPTICAL?
KMC: MY FAITH LEVEL WAS
THAT OF MY EXPERIENCES,
AND MY EXPERIENCES WERE,
AND I’D BEEN IN CHURCHES.
WE HAD BEEN ON STAFF IN
CHURCHES,
MY EXPERIENCES WERE MOST
OF THE CHRISTIANS I KNEW
WERE SAD, UNWELL, AND
DISAPPOINTED THEIR WHOLE
LIVES.
I DIDN’T KNOW CHRISTIANS
THAT WALK IN FREEDOM AND
WHOLENESS AND WELLNESS.
BUT A LITTLE TINY GLIMMER
OF HOPE THAT JUST MAYBE,
NOT FOR ME, BUT MAYBE FOR
THIS BOY.
THAT GOD WOULD SHOW UP AND
DO WHAT HE SAID HE WOULD
DO.
SR: OKAY, LET’S FIND OUT
WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THEY
DRAGGED JAMES FOR A
DELIVERANCE SESSION.
[MUSIC♪] AND I MEAN, THIS
REALLY SHOULD BE A MOVIE,
KAREN.
WE’LL BE RIGHT BACK AFTER
THIS WORD.
[MUSIC♪]
ANNOUNCER: WE’LL BE RIGHT
BACK TO, IT’S SUPERNATURAL.
[MUSIC♪] ANNOUNCER: WE NOW
RETURN TO, IT’S SUPERNATURAL.
SR: HELLO, SID ROTH HERE WITH,
KAREN MAYER CUNNINGHAM,
AND YOUR SON JAMES,HAD AUTISM.
KMC: YES.
SR: AND IT WAS-TELL ME HOW
BAD IT WAS.
KMC: IT WAS-.
SR: TELL ME SOME OF THE
WORST THINGS YOU REMEMBER.
KMC: I REMEMBER, ONE OF
THE WORST THINGS WERE THE
WORDS OTHER PEOPLE USED.
I REMEMBER HIS SPECIAL ED
TEACHER,
WHO WAS WONDERFUL, BUT SHE
SAID,
“HE WAS A MONSTER.”
HE WAS SO BAD, THAT HE HAD
TO HAVE HIS OWN AID JUST
FOR HIM IN CLASS.
WE HAD; ‘ANY BABY CAN’
TOOK HIM FOR A DAY A
MONTH.
MHMR IN TEXAS, WE HAD 20
HOURS OF STRAIGHT RESPITE;
HE WAS OUT OF CONTROL.
HE WOULD MAKE HIMSELF
VOMIT UP TO 50 TIMES A
DAY.
SR: WAS HE VERBAL, DID HE
SPEAK MUCH?
KMC: NO, PROBABLY 20
WORDS.
MOSTLY, POINTING, AND
“CUP”,
“HOT”, “NO”, YOU KNOW, 2
YEARS OLD.
SR: AND DID HE HAVE
TANTRUMS?
KMC: OH YEAH, HE HAD
TANTRUMS ALL THE TIME.
[MUSIC♪] HE WAS
INCONSOLABLE,
UNSUITABLE, THERE WERE
NEVER BEGINNINGS OR
ENDINGS TO HIS TANTRUM.
YOU NEVER KNEW WHAT WOULD
CAUSE THEM.
AND SO WE DID EVERYTHING
TO PANDER TO HIM TO KEEP
HIM CALM, KEEP HIM HAPPY.
WE PLAYED VIDEOTAPES
NONSTOP AN HOUR,
BUT HE WAS EATING OUR
HOUSE.
HE PULLED UP THE CARPET;
HE ATE THE FOAM UNDER IT.
HE PULLED THE WALLPAPER
OFF THE BATHROOMS AND ATE
THAT.
AND YOU KNOW, YOU BEGAN TO
LIVE IN THIS BUBBLE THAT
BECOMES YOUR TRUTH.
AND IT BECOMES THIS LITTLE
WAR ZONE,
AND YOU WANT TO PROTECT IT
BECAUSE IT’S YOUR FAMILY,
BUT IT WAS UNBEARABLE.
SR: WELL, LET’S TAKE A
LOOK AT WHAT HIS DOCTOR
HAD TO SAY ABOUT IT.
[VIDEO] DOCTOR: I SAW
JAMES THE FIRST TIME A FEW
YEARS AGO, ABOUT 3 YEARS
AGO WHEN HE WAS ABOUT 3
OLD.
[MUSIC♪] I GOT TO TELL YOU,
IT WAS A LITTLE SHOCKING
TO ME.
BECAUSE I SEE A LOT OF
VARIOUS DISEASES,
CONDITIONS, BEHAVIORS, BUT
LITTLE JAMES,
I GOT TO TELL YOU, TOOK
THE CAKE ON THIS ONE.
HE WAS EXHIBITING ERRATIC
BEHAVIORS,
UNCONTROLLABLE,
INCONSOLABLE,
FRANTIC, ATTACKS,
TANTRUMS,
HE WAS QUITE PALE,
NON-VERBAL,
GRUNTING NOISES, TOTAL
LACK OF ATTENTION.
I ALWAYS LIKE TO BELIEVE
THAT I FEEL THERE IS
UNLIMITED HOPE FOR PEOPLE
IN THEIR CONDITIONS.
BUT WITH JAMES, THE
SEVERITY OF HIS CONDITION,
THE BAZAAR BEHAVIOR, I
MEAN I COULDN’T HELP IT.
I THOUGHT, THIS GUY IS
GOING TO BE
INSTITUTIONALIZED FOR
LIFE.
AND NOTHING CAN BE DONE
FOR HIM.
OF COURSE, THEN I FELT,
WELL,
MAYBE SOME TESTS HAVEN’T
BEEN DONE.
MAYBE, HE’S GOT AN
ELECTROLYTE BALANCE,
MAYBE THERE’S A TUMOR IN
HIS HEAD.
SOMETHING, THAT COULD
ACCOUNT FOR THESE UNUSUAL
CONDITIONS.
BUT I GOT TO TELL YOU, AT
THE ONSET,
THERE’S NO HOPE FOR THIS
GUY,
[MUSIC ENDS] SR: SID ROTH
HERE WITH,
KAREN MAYER CUNNINGHAM,
AND WE’RE DISCUSSING YOUR
SON, JAMES.
AND A GROUP OF PEOPLE THAT
PRAY FOR SPIRITS TO COME
OUT OF PEOPLE, DEMONS TO
COME OUT OF PEOPLE,
SAID TO YOU, “IT IS TIME.”
WHAT DID YOU DO ABOUT
THAT?
KMC: WELL, I MOVED ON
THAT.
THEY’RE GOOD, THEY HAVE A
SPECIFIC GIFTING,
AND I BELIEVED THEM.
I BELIEVED IN THEIR
ANOINTING FROM GOD AND SO
WE TOOK HIM IN, FEBRUARY
17TH,
OF 2000.
IT WAS A THURSDAY AT 4:00
TO OUR CHURCH,
AND WE WERE JUST IN ONE OF
THE SUNDAY SCHOOL ROOMS.
AND JAMES ON THE FLOOR
BEGAN TO ROCK,
AND HE WANTED TO GO; AND
GO,
GO, GO, KEPT RUNNING TO
THE DOOR.
AND SO THE TEAM HAD MY
HUSBAND PICK HIM UP AND
HOLD HIM.
AND THEY JUST LAID THEIR
HANDS ON HIS BACK AND
PRAYED [MUSIC♪] THAT THE
1ST DEMONIC CURSE WOULD
GO, AND IN JESUS NAME,
THEY WENT TO THE DRY
PLACES NEVER TO BE HERE
AGAIN.
AND MY SON REACHED HIS
HAND BACK AND SCREAMED,
“COME BACK, COME BACK,
COME BACK,
COME BACK, COME BACK!!!!”
SR: WHEN YOU WERE WATCHING
THAT,
WHAT DID YOU THINK?
KMC: I THOUGHT, I CANNOT
BELIEVE THIS.
I CANNOT BELIEVE THIS JUST
HAPPENED;
IT WAS SO REAL.
HE NEVER SAID THE WORD
“COME” OR “BACK”.
AND HE WAS SCREAMING OUT.
[MUSIC ENDS] SR: THAT’S
RIGHT,
HE WASN’T VERBAL.
KMC: NO, HE WAS SCREAMING
FOR THE THING,
BEGGING FOR THAT THING
THAT WAS LEAVING HIM,
TO COME BACK.
AND AT THAT MOMENT
[MUSIC♪],
WE WERE ALL CHANGED.
THE MANIFESTED PRESENCE OF
GOD WAS SO HEAVY AND SO
HUMBLING.
AND I BELIEVE THAT GOD DID
THAT,
BECAUSE HE HAD EVERY
INTENTION OF HEALING HIM,
AND HE IS COMPLETELY
HEALED.
[MUSIC ENDS] SR: BUT
IMMEDIATELY,
I KNOW THERE WERE GRADUAL
THINGS THAT OCCURRED.
BUT IMMEDIATELY, COULD YOU
TELL A DIFFERENCE,
AND WHAT WAS IT?
KMC: HE WAS MARKED
DIFFERENT,
AND THE FIRST THING HE
WAS,
WAS PEACEFUL, (WHICH IS
PART OF THE KINGDOM OF
HEAVEN).
AND THERE WAS A CALMNESS
ABOUT HIM.
AND THAT’S THE CHILD, THAT
PURPOSED FOR MY LIFE.
NOT AN OUT OF CONTROL
RABID ANIMAL IN MY HOUSE.
AND FROM THAT DAY, HE GOT
BETTER AND BETTER,
AND BETTER, [MUSIC♪] AND
GOD HAS CONTINUED TO
RESTORE HIS MIND DAILY.
SR: WELL, HOW WOULD YOU
LIKE TO SEE JAMES.
DON’T GO AWAY, WE’LL BE
RIGHT BACK AFTER THIS WORD.
[MUSIC♪]
ANNOUNCER: WE’LL BE RIGHT
BACK TO, IT’S SUPERNATURAL.
[MUSIC♪] ANNOUNCER: WE NOW
RETURN TO, IT’S SUPERNATURAL.
SR: HELLO, SID ROTH HERE WITH,
KAREN MAYER CUNNINGHAM.
WE’RE DISCUSSING HER SON
JAMES WHO YOUR DOCTOR,
WHO IS NO LONGER WITH US,
BUT WE HAVE A VIDEOTAPE OF
WHAT HE HAD TO SAY ABOUT
JAMES;
ACTUALLY CALLED HIM A
MIRACLE.
TELL ME ABOUT JAMES TODAY.
KMC: OH, JAMES IS
WONDERFUL.
HE’S 14 YEARS OLD, HE’S 6
FEET TALL,
HE’S AN ATHLETE.
HE BOWLS IN A LEAGUE.
THIS YEAR HE PLAYED
FOOTBALL,
BASKETBALL.
HE’S NOW THROWING THE
DISCUS,
HE JUST PLAYS A TRACK
MEET;
HE’S JUST A WONDERFUL
YOUNG BOY.
SR: I MEAN THE NEWSPAPERS
ARE WRITING HIM UP AS AN
ATHLETE.
KMC: YES, LEAD SCORE FOR
HIS SECTION OF THE C-TEAM.
SO, HE’S DOING PHENOMENAL;
YOU KNOW,
ACADEMICALLY, HE’S STILL
BEHIND A FEW YEARS.
HE LOST 5 YEARS OF HIS
LIFE,
HE’S ABOUT ON A 5TH-GRADE
LEVEL,
BUT HE’S IN 8TH GRADE.
HE’S IN 3 RESOURCE
CLASSES,
BUT ALL THE OTHER CLASSES,
HE GOES TO REGULAR CLASSES
WITH INCLUSION HELP.
AND SO YOU KNOW, GOD
CONTINUES TO MAKE UP FOR
THAT TIME THE ENEMY STOLE
FROM US.
SR: I UNDERSTAND THAT HE
CAN EVEN MOVE IN THE GIFT
OF PROPHECY NOW.
KMC: YES.
SR: SOMEONE THAT WAS
NON-VERBAL.
KMC: YES.
SR: THAT USED TO CHEW THE
PLASTER BOARDS,
AND HE WOULD KNOCK HIS
HEAD AGAINST THE BOARD.
KMC: YES.
SR: AND THEN HE WOULD EAT
IT.
KMC: EAT IT.
SR: WHICH I HAVE THE BILLS
FOR.
KMC: YES, HE WOULD EAT IT.
HE WAS EATING OUR HOUSE.
SR: I MEAN WHEN YOU WERE
DRINKING,
AND DESPERATE, AND
REALIZING THAT YOU WERE
GOING TO LOSE YOUR SON TO
AN INSTITUTION,
I MEAN YOU MUST HAVE BEEN
AS HOPELESS AS A HUMAN CAN
BE.
KMC: : I DIDN’T, I DIDN’T
KNOW THERE COULD BE
ANYTHING WORSE, I DIDN’T
THINK YOU COULD BE WORSE
AND BE ALIVE AND NOT
LITERALLY IN PRISON,
AND YOU KNOW GOD HAS
TURNED ALL OF THAT AROUND.
A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO WE
WERE AT CHURCH AND HIS
SUNDAY SCHOOL TEACHER CAME
UP TO ME AND SHE HAD TEARS
FLOWING DOWN HER FACE AND
SHE SAID,
“I JUST TALKED TO JAMES
AND HE GAVE ME A PROPHETIC
WORD ABOUT THE SIXTIES AND
JUST VERY GENTLY TOLD HER
THAT GOD WANTED HER TO
FORGIVE THIS PERSON SHE
HAD KEPT BITTERNESS FOR”,
AND THEN JUST WENT BACK TO
PLAYING OR WHATEVER THEY
WERE DOING,
AND THAT, YOU KNOW HE HAS
A CALL ON HIS LIFE JUST
LIKE ALL OF US DO.
NOT TO EAT THE SHEETROCK,
THAT IS NOT GOD’S PURPOSE
FOR HIS LIFE, GOD WASN’T
TRYING TO PUNISH ME OR
TEACH ME SOMETHING, BUT HE
HAS DESTINY ON HIS LIFE
AND WE HAVE TO STAND AND
BELIEVE FOR OUR KIDS,
OUR FAMILY, OUR LOVED ONES
TO HAVE EVERYTHING THAT
GOD HAS EVER PLANNED FOR
THEM.
SR: LET’S TAKE A LOOK AT
THE DOCTOR ACTUALLY,
THERE’S A JEWISH DOCTOR
ACTUALLY CALLING THIS A
MIRACLE.
[VIDEO] DOCTOR: [MUSIC♪]
FROM THE REPORTS I SEE
NOW, IT’S NOTHING SHORT OF
A MIRACLE.
I MEAN, THIS YOUNG BOY IS
NOW VOCAL,
VERBAL, APPROPRIATE,
RESPONSIVE,
EATING NICELY, HEALTHY.
SO, YOU KNOW IT’S JUST ONE
OF THOSE SITUATIONS YOU
HAVE TO CHALK UP TO
SOMETHING MAYBE HIGHER
THAN WE HAVE IN THE
MEDICAL FIELD.
[MUSIC ENDS] SR: THAT’S
PRETTY GOOD FOR A JEWISH
DOCTOR THAT DOESN’T KNOW
THE MESSIAH!
[LAUGHS] TO SAY THAT ABOUT
JAMES.
KMC: YES.
SR: WELL, TELL ME A BIT
ABOUT JAMES TODAY.
IN FACT, I’LL TELL YOU
WHAT.
BETTER THAN YOU TELLING ME
A BIT ABOUT JAMES TODAY,
YOU’VE ALREADY DONE THAT.
LET’S HAVE JAMES TALK
ABOUT JAMES TODAY.
[VIDEO] [SINGING MUSIC]
FROM THE VERY START,
THE ENEMY; HE TRIED, AND
TRIED,
AND TRIED TO STEAL THE
VERY GIFT THAT GOD HAS
GIVEN TO YOU.
SO THE WORLD COULD FIND,
YOU CANNOT BE SILENT;
NO.
YOU CANNOT BE QUIET SO;
NO.
BUT YOU ARE HEALED.
YOU’VE GOT THE WORDS THAT
THE WORLD NEEDS TO HEAR.
YOU ARE HEALED.
YOU WERE MADE TO SHINE.
YOU WERE MADE TO SHINE.
YOU WERE MADE TO SHINE.
YOU WERE MADE TO SHINE.
YOU WERE MADE TO SHINE SR:
WELL KAREN,
ARE YOU PRETTY PROUD OF
YOUR SON JAMES?
KMC: HE IS THE LIGHT OF MY
LIFE I AM ABSOLUTELY SO
PROUD OF HIM.
SR: AND WHAT I UNDERSTAND
IS WHEN PEOPLE HEAR YOUR
STORY, HOW MANY PEOPLE
HAVE BEEN HEALED OF AUTISM
JUST BY LISTENING TO YOUR
STORY?
KMC: WE KNOW OF SEVEN
FAMILIES.
SR: BUT WHAT ARE PEOPLE
SAYING WHEN THEY READ YOUR
BOOK, IT IS NOT JUST FOR
PEOPLE THAT HAVE CHILDREN
THAT HAVE AUTISM.
KMC: NO, ABSOLUTELY NOT,
IT IS ABOUT BRINGING HOPE
TO PEOPLE THAT HAVE LOST
HOPE,
THEY HAVE NO MORE FAITH
AND THEY BELIEVE THAT THEY
ARE STUCK IN THIS
SITUATION AND THE WORD
FROM THEIR DOCTOR OR FROM
THEIR SITUATION OR FROM
THEIR FINANCES OR FROM
THEIR RELATIONSHIPS,
AND JESUS SAID THAT “BY
HIS STRIPES,
WE WERE HEALED”.
THIRTY-NINE STRIPES FOR
THIRTY-NINE STRAINS OF
DISEASES, EVERY DISEASE
DISORDER AND SITUATION
COMES FROM THIRTY-NINE
GROUPS.
AND WE CAN BE HEALED FROM
ALL THAT.
BUT WE HAVE TO ‘STAND’ AND
‘BELIEVE’ AND ‘RECEIVE’.
AND SO THAT IS WHAT THIS
IS,
FOR PEOPLE TO KNOW THEY
CAN BE HEALED FROM
ANYTHING, WHATEVER IT IS,
BROKEN PHYSICALLY,
EMOTIONALLY, SPIRITUALLY.
SR: WHAT I WAS TOLD BY MY
STAFF IS THEY WANTED THEIR
CHILDREN TO EVEN READ THIS
MORE THAN ONE TIME.
WHY WOULD SOMEONE WANT TO
READ THIS MORE THAN ONE
TIME?
KMC: I THINK BECAUSE IT
REALLY TOUCHES ON
DIFFERENT AREAS OF YOUR
LIFE,
YOU KNOW INITIALLY I
THOUGHT IT WOULD HELP
PEOPLE WITH SPECIAL-ED
KIDS,
BUT THERE ARE SO MANY
PARTS IN OUR LIVES THAT
ARE BROKEN, THAT AREN’T
WHOLE OR WELL.
AND THAT GOD WANTS TO GET
IN AND HEAL EVERY SINGLE
PART OF THEM.
SR: YOU KNOW WHAT I WAS
THINKING;
NOW YOU KNOW JAMES TODAY,
WE KNOW JAMES A LITTLE BIT
TODAY FROM WHAT WE HAVE
SEEN.
BUT IT WOULD HAVE BEEN SO
EASY IF YOU HAD KNOWN WHAT
WAS WRONG WITH HIM TO
ABORT HIM.
KMC: YOU KNOW, I WOULD
HAVE NEVER DONE THAT.
YOU KNOW WHEN YOU WALK OUT
WHAT GOD GIVES YOU HE
GIVES YOU THE STRENGTH TO
WALK IT OUT AND THE REASON
YOU WALK STUFF OUT IS SO
SOMEBODY BEHIND YOU CAN
GO, “OH SID WALKED THAT
OUT,
KAREN WALKED THAT OUT, I
CAN WALK THAT OUT TOO.”
AND THERE IS A PURPOSE IN
IT.
SR: WELL THERE ARE SOME
PEOPLE THAT WANT TO DO
MORE THAN WALK IT OUT WITH
A PURPOSE.
THEY WANT TO WALK OUT OF
IT!
KMC: RIGHT.
SR: WOULD YOU LOOK AT THEM
AND TALK TO THEM?
KMC: YES- SR: AND PRAY FOR
THEM?
KMC: YES, I JUST WANT YOU
TO KNOW WHATEVER SITUATION
YOU ARE IN.
WHATEVER, HOWEVER, YOU
COME IN TODAY,
WHETHER HOPELESSNESS OR
DESPAIR.
IS THAT GOD IS READY TO
MEET YOU WHEREVER YOUR
NEED IS.
HIS HAND IS NOT SHORTENED
BECAUSE OF YOUR CONDITION,
DISEASE OR DISORDER OR
SITUATION.
AND DON’T STAND AND
BELIEVE THE REPORT OF THE
DOCTOR, BUT STAND AND
BELIEVE THE REPORT OF THE
LORD.
BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT WE
ARE SUPPOSED TO STAND
UPON.
AND IF I CAN JUST PRAY FOR
YOU.
FATHER WE JUST THANK YOU,
WE THANK YOU FOR YOUR
HEALING POWERS, WE THANK
YOU THAT YOUR NAME IS
JEHOVAH RAPHA.
THAT YOU ARE THE GOD THAT
HEALS.
THAT IF IT IS IN YOUR NAME
AND IN YOUR WILL.
AND FATHER WE JUST THANK
YOU AHEAD OF TIME FOR OPEN
DOORS, OPEN EYES, OPEN
MINDS,
TO SHOW EACH AND EVERY
FAMILY,
WHATEVER THEIR SPECIFIC
SITUATION IS.
HOW TO WALK IT OUT AND TO
WALK INTO THEIR DESTINY
WITH FREEDOM AND WHOLENESS
AND HEALTHINESS.
AND TO BE A LIGHT TO THIS
WORLD.
TO KNOW THAT GOD IS THE
GOD WHO DELIVERS US FROM
ALL OF OUR OPPRESSIONS,
OBSESSIONS,
AND POSSESSIONS.
FATHER GOD, WE JUST THANK
YOU AHEAD OF TIME FOR
THESE GOOD REPORTS THAT
ARE GOING TO COME IN;
WHOLE CHILDREN, WELL
CHILDREN,
PURPOSE LIVES, FULL LIVES.
WE THANK YOU AHEAD OF TIME
IN JESUS NAME.
SR: NOW ONE OF THE THINGS
THAT YOU SAID TO ME IS
THAT EVEN BEFORE YOUR SON
HAD HIS DELIVERANCE YOU
PLAYED PRAISE MUSIC AND
YOU COULD ACTUALLY SEE
IMPROVEMENT IN HIM.
KMC: YES, YES, PRAISE
MUSIC IS SO IMPORTANT,
YOU KNOW WORSHIP IS
USHERING IN THE PRESENCE
OF GOD.
AND SO AS THEY SLEEP AS IT
IS IN THE ROOM THAT BRINGS
IN THE PRESENCE OF GOD.
AND WHEN YOU HAVE THAT
THERE THE ENEMY MUST FLEE;
HE MUST FLEE.
AND AS ADULTS [MUSIC♪] WE
HAVE TO STAND IN THE GAPS
SPIRITUALLY FOR OUR
CHILDREN THAT ARE UNDER
EIGHTEEN YEARS OF AGE.
WE HAVE TO DO THAT.
WE HAVE TO KNOW [MUSIC
ENDS],
THAT WHATEVER COMES INTO
THEIR EAR OR EYE GATE,
IS PERMEATING THEIR SPIRIT
AND WE HAVE TO BE
RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT.
SR: WHAT OTHER THINGS DID
YOU DO PRACTICALLY BEYOND
THE PRAISE MUSIC IN THIS
PROCESS,
IN THE HEALING OF JAMES?
KMC: WE HAD TO NOT GIVE IN
TO JAMES.
JAMES BEHAVIOR HAD RUN OUR
LIVES FOR SO MANY YEARS.
WE HAD TO STOP, YOU KNOW,
PANDERING TO HIM.
WE HAD BECOME THE CHILD
AND HE HAD BECOME THE
PARENT.
AND SO YOU KNOW THE ENEMY
HAD TO FLIP THE SCRIPT ON
US AND WE HAD TO GO BACK
INTO OUR CORRECT ROLES;
THAT WE WERE THE PARENTS
AND HE WAS THE CHILD.
AND WHEN WE SAID SOMETHING
IT STOOD.
AND WHEN WE SAID THERE
WOULD BE DISCIPLINE IF
THIS HAPPENED, THEN IT
STOOD.
NOT JUST ALWAYS GIVING IN
TO HIM BECAUSE OF HIS
SITUATION OR HIS
CONDITION.
AND THAT SET UP A SYSTEM
OF STRUCTURE AND
DISCIPLINE AND ORDER.
AND WE SERVE A GOD OF
ORDER,
AND OUR HOUSE WAS OUT OF
ORDER SR: I’M REMINDED OF
THE WORDS THAT KAREN WAS
TOLD,
“IT IS TIME.”
THAT’S PRETTY PROFOUND
WORDS.
KMC: YES.
SR: FIRST YOU HAD A
CONCERN.
KMC: YES.
SR: AND YOU WORRIED ABOUT,
HOW COULD DELIVERANCE HELP
YOUR SON?
BUT YOU KNOW SOMETHING?
“IT IS TIME.”
HEAVEN IS DRAWING SO CLOSE
TO PLANET EARTH.
THINGS THAT YOU HAVE BEEN
BELIEVING GOD FOR IN THE
PAST, THAT YOU HAVE BEEN
STANDING AND STANDING AND
STANDING.
WELL, I HAVE A WORD FOR
YOU.
[LAUGHS] “IT’S TIME” IT IS
‘YOUR’ TIME;
“IT IS TIME.”
FORGET WHAT HAPPENED IN
THE PAST.
A BRAND NEW BEGINNING;
IT’S TIME FOR YOU TO KNOW
GOD.
IT’S TIME FOR YOU, TO HAVE
THE JOY.
IT’S TIME FOR, IT IS PLAIN
TIME FOR YOU TO HAVE
PEACE.
THERE IS A HEBREW WORD FOR
PEACE;
IT’S “SHALOM”.
SHALOM RADIATING OUT OF
EVERY FIBER OF YOUR BEING.
NOT FEARFUL OF ANYTHING.
NOT FEARFUL OF SICKNESS.
NOT FEARFUL OF DEATH.
I MEAN IF YOU ARE NOT
FEARFUL OF SICKNESS,
YOU’RE NOT FEARFUL OF
DEATH,
NOT FEARFUL OF FINANCIAL
PROBLEMS,
YOU WOULD BE AT PEACE.
NOT FEARFUL OF
RELATIONSHIPS BECAUSE YOU
KNOW GOD.
YOU HAVE SUCH INTIMACY
WITH GOD.
GOD IS TELLING ME THAT
PEOPLE’S BACKS ARE BEING
HEALED RIGHT NOW, AND
NECKS;
PAIN, OF ALL KIND IS JUST
LIFTING OFF OF YOU.
BUT I WANT THE BIGGEST
PAIN TO LIFT OFF OF YOU.
THE PAIN OF CARRYING THE
SINS OF THE WRONG THINGS
THAT YOU’VE DONE.
IF YOU BELIEVE THAT THE
BLOOD OF JESUS WASHED AWAY
THESE SINS; “IT IS TIME”,
FOR YOU TO TAKE THOSE SINS
OFF OF YOU.
SAY, I BELIEVE THE BLOOD
OF JESUS HAS WASHED ME
CLEAN.
IT’S NOT SOMETHING YOU DO;
IT’S WHAT HE HAS DONE.
YOU JUST RECEIVE WHAT HE’S
DONE.
AND IF YOU WILL SAY OUT
LOUD,
[MUSIC♪] “I MAKE JESUS MY
MESSIAH AND LORD.”
DO IT RIGHT NOW.
IT MAY SEEM INSIGNIFICANT,
BUT MY WHOLE LIFE WAS
TRANSFORMED WHEN I DID IT.
SO WILL YOURS.
DO IT NOW.
[MUSIC♪]