Jamie Grace is joined by her sister Morgan Harper Nichols for Part 2 of God Girl. Morgan is also a storyteller, musician, artist & entrepreneur that is passionate about Jesus and others coming to know him. Morgan is the founder of Good Stuff Media Group, a niche media and consulting group based out of Dallas, TX. Jamie Grace is joined by her sister Morgan Harper Nichols for Part 2 of God Girl. Morgan is also a storyteller, musician, artist & entrepreneur that is passionate about Jesus and others coming to know him. Morgan is the founder of Good Stuff Media Group, a niche media and consulting group based out of Dallas, TX.
hey there welcome welcome I’m so glad
that you’re here
delighted to share this time with you
because we’re going to be having a
conversation that I hope you’ll enjoy
I am Priscilla and this is the chat I’m
so glad you’re joining me pull up a
chair
enjoy we’re going to be talking to a
personality whose ministry whose
songwriting whose music has gone
literally around the world she is a
delight to know I cannot wait to sit
down and chat for her and with you stay
tuned
hey there welcome I’m Priscilla I’m so
glad that you’re joining me this is the
chat you’ve kind of stumbled into our
little living room here where we just
kind of hang out and talk about some
things that we hope will be fun for you
to listen to but also will challenge you
or excite you in some way and form you
maybe about something that we want you
to know about today we’re just having a
whole lot of fun this is part two of a
conversation we’ve already been having
so if you have not tuned in to part one
of this one you’re going to want to go
back and see it because it cracked me up
let me tell you but this is part two of
a conversation we have already been
having with the beautiful Jamie Grace
who is here but we’re adding someone to
the conversation Jamie why you a tracer
oh my goodness do I get – yes yes – okay
while she is my guitar teacher she’s my
best friend and she feeds me so I love
her so much
my big sister Morgan Harper Nichols got
to be here y’all are hugging each other
like y’all don’t see each other all the
time
don’t ya don’t really know it’s like I’m
going right now where I’ve like the
huggy person that she is she was being
sweet I mean she’s always sweet but I
heard she’s the initiator of the hug yes
I didn’t love her but you don’t you
don’t need all that yeah I mean I think
we have a good relationship and yeah if
hugging is a part of it then all right
like no hurt all the time it’s the my
little sisters okay I gave it away so
she’s a little sis you’re the oldest yes
oh yeah I know
yeah she’s older sorry I won’t laugh
we’re limited on time she’s healing
ideas I’m the oldest but um he was the
bigger character I feel like I know the
answer Morgan has more personality you
see those lips hole right yeah crazy
hovering all the energy yeah I have no
idea what’s happening
tell me about it welcome to my life
no she’s so she’s so normal she and our
dad are all kinds of normal my mom and I
are nuts
sorry heart is that weighted yeah this
balance is amazing but that was – that’s
true yes how are you like your dad how
is she like your mom
well um you can’t uh yeah how am I like
him whoa
y’all are usually normal yeah we’re just
I guess I mean we’re only quiet Jamie
Jamie excuse me ma’am
I’m trying so hard I can’t do we need to
miss my turn
yes do you know me – probably a fun
class happen well we’re we’re as my mom
says probably the best adjective is
reserved
yes preserved is probably the you know I
can sit back and take things in and then
if I want to say something that I will
but she keeps looking at ya cuz I’m
waiting to see how you’re gonna add to
this I know I’ll come in you know this
is interesting I’m kind of wondering cuz
I’m watching you
looking back in it and I’m wondering
have you excuse me Jamie it’s really
entertaining actually but I’m wondering
have you because yells because she’s got
this too demonstrative personality yeah
and you’re more of a reservist coming
back but do you have you spent your life
kind of hanging back or kind of just
looking – Jamie – Antje do it and it’s
really funny because you know Jamie you
know like you shared earlier you know
she’s she’s done a lot with her music
career as we were you know in the past
three four or five years or so and I
also do music and a lot of people will
pull me over to the side at a show and
they’ll be like oh you know how is it
like having a little sister who’s so
much more successful than you and she
does all this stuff and I just told I’m
like no you’ve got it all wrong I just
make her do all the hard work and I just
drink the benefits like so you made my
eyes like yeah I was great she went out
there and hate away for you hundreds of
shows a year and I get to just walk on
and hang out okay yeah
it’s not all bad bad but I always think
it’s fine I’m like you know I appreciate
it a concern but seriously don’t worry
about me like this is okay
has it never been a struggle for you
competition because you both love music
who are any what you listen to me you
have one up I can’t wait forever I hear
you say you have one of the most rich
full memorable memorable voices I have
never heard it’s almost like Tracy
Chapman quality it’s this dish melodic
beautiful sound that everybody can’t
muster up girl yeah you really really
thank you so much since both of you are
so gifted has there ever been a time
where you have had I mean just let’s be
real has there been a time where you’ve
kind of struggled with with feeling a
bit of whether it’s jealousy or whether
it’s a bit of why not me or competition
have y’all struggle with that all I
think for me the the biggest thing that
I had to struggle at this that for me it
was it’s so out of my comfort zone to
get up in front of people and sing is it
so I never dealt with seeing my sister
doing it I never do I never dealt with
seeing her doing it and saying oh that
should be me but the opposite happened I
said oh that’s that’s not me that’s her
thing that’s not my thing I’m not
supposed to saying I’m fine no you had
oh yeah but it was Duke yeah I sort of
just been I still don’t like her dancing
really and that’s kind of what it came
to is that I have a huge passion for
writing and I’m definitely I journal a
la I write a lot I’ve been writing
there’s like this a nerdy thing called
National Novel Writing Month every
November I’ve done it every November
since like high school I love to write
she won’t record herself but she has an
amazing women’s ministry called white
women Co she does daily devotionals and
it is legitimately viral on Pinterest
and Instagram she’s an incredible writer
like in spiral Ashley that’s that’s kind
of what it came down to I don’t really I
don’t really feel comfortable naturally
sharing hey here’s what I do here’s my
book here’s my business card
I’m perfectly content hiding behind a
computer screen just typing away writing
away but what God has shown me is that
God works in us when he takes us out of
our comfort zone
and he has shown me that over and over
again the second I get comfortable the
second I’m like okay I’m okay not being
in the spotlight I’m okay playing the
background I’m okay
hiding behind a computer that’s when he
opens up a door and pushes me out there
says yeah but I need you to trust me and
I need you to get up there and you’re
gonna do that for me so that’s so here’s
my experience I like this I love it so
much I mean here’s a question how do you
get over the hurdle of fear and
insecurity that would keep you back from
doing what you know God is pressing you
to do because this this is you’re giving
us the specifics of your scenario all of
us have been in that position in one way
or another where we feel more
comfortable in one setting but we feel
God prompting us into another and it
doesn’t matter what the scenario details
are you still gotta make a choice not to
let fear keep you from going forward so
how do you do that how do you say you
know what we Morgan we gonna do this
today yeah if we don’t feel like I
honestly have to remember people um I
there have been times in my life where
I’ve played a show or I’ve spoken to a
group of people and someone walked up to
me and said I really needed that thank
you for saying that and I have to hold
on to that because I don’t have anything
to do with that
that just shows to me that God used me
as a vessel to speak to someone so Who
am I to hold back and if he’s given me
an opportunity even if it makes me
uncomfortable even though it’s totally
out of my comfort zone I’d rather just
hide in a corner naturally I’m okay with
that
like I’m perfectly content with that if
God’s asking me to do something I have
to do it and if he’s gonna use me I
can’t take that for granted yeah I can’t
take that for granted so you know I have
to have a lot of pep talks with myself I
really do but really – yes because it’s
not it’s not natural for me and I
definitely even when I’m performing I
always take the time to speak to people
about that because I know that there are
other people out there who feel that way
like whether it’s stage fright or you
don’t want to speak up at work or
whatever it is like we all have things
well you know I’m comfortable here I
feel safe but I feel like God has told
me like I want you out of that safety
zone like I didn’t create that you just
saying you’re a little personal safety
at you know what it’s all it’s so
interesting to me is that I think we
have a habit of
and saying Lord I want a miracle I want
to see you move God but then in the next
breath we have a habit of praying lord
please keep me out of any situation it’s
a miracle whatever what exactly yes like
we want to see God movement we don’t
want to go into the risky places of
faith where honestly he’s trying to
beckon us there because in that place we
get to see it it’s like he’s trying to
answer all certainly but we keep going
oh not me no exactly and I want you to
know that I applaud you for that so much
and I resonate with it so much because I
have a track record with God from the
time I was your age about 22 years old
or so till now 40 years old my track
record with God is that he has always
always put me in a position where I was
in over my head I have always been in
over my head from when I first started
speaking it wasn’t a plan to speak I’d
be on a platform and everybody else
would be in their 40s and here I was
this 22 year old I always felt
outmatched yeah to the Kendrick brothers
calling and said we want you to be on a
big screen in a movie I said you want me
to play but if I let fear go keep me
crippled and paralyzed I would have
never had the treat for the last 18
years of seeing God not only um his
strength be perfected in my weakness but
see him pull potential out of me I
didn’t even know was there
yeah I don’t even know the stuff you put
in me you only get to know it when
you’re when you go out there on the
water and you can see yourself walking
exactly yeah exactly
yes so I applaud you for that I’m glad
that you’re sharing that message
tell us about your ministry to young
women yes and that was that was another
place where I started it out of comfort
I said this is a place I love to blog I
love to write I can hide behind my
computer
I didn’t anonymously I didn’t put my
name on my website my picture was not on
there I just don’t do that naturally but
however I wrote this blog posts called
40 questions to ask yourself before you
date a guy cuz I just got it I just got
I just got married and my husband was my
first boyfriend so I didn’t have like
this whole like dating history or
anything but a lot of husband is her
manager both of you – manager yeah yes
we were seeing her – maybe their full
time buddy tour manage me for two and a
half years
yes sir we had to work his way for the
tour manager position she’s talking
about me yeah he obviously worked his
way this great masters yeah yeah
everybody thinks that we met in music we
actually met in college but that’s where
we met and then as we were getting
married that’s when Jamie was starting
to do music full-time so just a whole
bunch of things started happening at the
same time but a lot of young women
because I was 20 years old when I got
married so a lot of you know younger
women teen girls they were starting to
ask me like how did you know he was the
one and asking me all these questions I
was like all right I’m just gonna put it
in a blog post I’m just the Friday was
the one well I honestly I knew because
this is gonna sound really strange but
he wouldn’t go away
um you know as JB talked about Jamie was
talking about earlier just you know
growing up you know a preacher’s
daughter you know a guy has to pursue
you in all of this and I I believed that
but then it took me a while to realize
that he was pursuing me and God had
literally placed a while there like oh
this is what yeah I was like oh wait
wait this is it we know everyone around
me was like Morgan Morgan but you know
me being more covers on like no I’m okay
like I’m not gonna talk to a guy right
now but I really had to humble myself
because I I did like him but I put up a
wall I put up a wall because I was like
no this can’t be it like I’m not trying
to get out my comfort zone so that’s
sort of the the short thing is that God
really got really humble to me he sent
someone into my life who had who became
a believer as an adult my husband was 18
when he accepted Christ and just hearing
his story and see the way seeing the way
that he lived out his faith it really
spoke to me and it became very clear
that God was speaking to me through him
so that’s that’s what I would tell a lot
of people in my ministry honestly is a
lot of that as well so it started as a
blog and now it’s it’s grown to
something way bigger than I ever thought
it would ever be and it’s been great so
it’s a crazy turning and you’ve just
recently moved to my neck of the woods
yeah yeah look
what brought y’all yes what what
prompted the move yes well we’ve been
married Patrick and ayah for five years
and ever since we got married we’ve
always prayed and said you know God we
will go wherever it is you want us to go
and we never had anywhere on the map in
particular that we want it to go but a
little over a year ago we were in Texas
working doing music there and it was
almost at the exact same time that we
like almost audibly heard God say to us
this is where you’re supposed to be and
it was a strangest thing for us because
we had never talked about moving to
Texas
we had never considered it and we’d only
been there a few times just playing
shows and working there so really we
started to just pray about it and talk
about like what does this even mean and
it was just such a crazy thing that
started to unfold I started to get
emails from women and my ministry that
had been writing and contributing and
many of them were based in Texas and I
was like that’s kind of strange I never
noticed that before and then we just
with music just playing a lot of shows
and doing a lot of things on the west
coast and we just felt God calling us to
be in the middle in a central place and
honestly it was it was just it was a
huge it was a huge faith move and we
definitely feel like it’s where we’re
supposed to be well there you are a new
place for God to do new things to your
life and your ministry and all that and
we want to hear y’all say oh we can do
that so we’re gonna take just a little
break and then we’re gonna come back me
and my blue extension I got to give it a
stone
I know I’ve decided this is what I’ve
decided I have decided that from now on
you know I just this is this is not my
real life you know much people think
this is beautiful she said with some
boys doing laundry trying to figure out
new ways to cook chicken for dinner
that’s what literally what I do all day
I wrote like really cooked all day I
cook like six times a week and like yeah
cuz you love to cook I loved him yeah
it’s a little different it’s different I
love to cook too but it’s different when
you got people all Aban you pull a knife
but I’m saying this what I’m saying
I’m saying that I think if I put a blue
clip in in and a tutu and boots and a
top on while I’m cooking I would just
feel so much better that is what I can
take your Jaime green yeah we’re back in
just a moment and we’re going to hear
these two beautiful women saying you’re
not going to want to miss this please
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all right here to sing white boots Jaime
and more kin
take it away girls
little girl dreams are bigger than they
shame I’m thinking about the future in
my daily routine I want a blue out to
the peak it fails that’s the kind of
innocence that it makes me wanna wait
until my wedding day I’ll be standing
face to face with the love I know it’s
true I promised and forever from fantasy
I do my food my dress and baby I get in
fresh slate I need you to bring her ring
and I always sound I’ll be ready
I’ve been waiting way to wait
in my waifu’
well I’m going on five use with a love
of my life and everything go gotta make
some way to work the while you see it
wasn’t always easy but I listened for
the truth so don’t get
and you’ll be standing face to face with
the love you know true a promising
forever from the Sami see as a lack of
my wife booze my white dress the baby
I need you to bring hotter
rings and I’d always time up you ready
but nothing waiting waiting waiting
not to you
and my wife my wife Oh
so get your white tux your new shoes and
baby don’t go get in I want my baby I
you to bring range and I know if I’m up
you ready but I’ve been waiting waiting
waiting waiting
waiting waiting when you’re waiting on
you
in the live
Oh
I get in the say
it was our mom we added to it but our
mom came up with the whole concept and
yeah we wrote over there so yeah she’s a
genius
she must be mostly because she
homeschooled you and is still alive you
know what hey man I mean that’s why I’m
the youngest there’s a reason whether no
more it was like so yeah done okay just
talk to us a little bit about that song
obviously the message is clear
yeah but make it even more plain because
this is the message of your ministry
this is the message you’re trying to get
across to as many young women as you can
through this your white boots and not
getting the dusty talk about that well
it’s funny we realizes the other day
Morgan wrote my verse where it talks
about my dreams and what I what I want
from a future and I wrote Morgan’s verse
what talks about how it is worth the
wait now that she’s married and I think
that really just explains what that
means for us you know Morgan encourages
me a lot oftentimes is what she says and
the nos oftentimes you know without
saying anything just by having you know
solid marriage and just waiting in that
those dreams are valid and like God has
them in my heart for a reason and he’s
gonna fulfill them and it might not be
when I think when I’m ready but the Lord
might be like no Jamie you’re not ready
yet some of you my timing and then form
organizations yeah and that is just a
conversation so whether is between two
sisters or mother and daughter or two
sisters at church you know it’s a
conversation you know open up to the
people that are in your life you know
people that you look up to that have
wisdom say you know I I just need some
prayer when it comes to my single life
or yeah let me just share with you what
God is some of my marriage and we just
want that to show that as an example
that it’s a conversation a conversation
we have sisters it’s a conversation that
needs to be had for sure you know I I
don’t art with like I said it a million
times I’d love to be married but the
Lord is doing stuff in my life right now
as a single woman
and without my mom and without my sister
I wouldn’t be able to walk through it
the way that I’m walking through it and
what part do you think accountability
needs to play in maintaining white boots
yeah it’s a huge part you know I mean
I’ve got practically yeah what does that
look like accountability for you I’ll
say I guess maybe I’ll say Oh moral
Morgan’s in because when they when she
and her husband knows her first
boyfriend when they were first dating
and stuff like
the conversation I mean yeah always we
we were roommates at the time husband
and I started dating in college
yeah and it was it’s just little things
like that so you’re saying you guys were
roommates so that well the comparability
there were little things like Morgan
would be like yo you’re watching a movie
with us tonight you know it’s just think
you are the third wheel you ain’t
staying here yeah I know how to own the
third what gazoo year that there will
they buy you food so it’s like how long
hard work it but it’s just honestly I
mean accountability is a huge thing and
it’s not accountability because you
think somebody’s gonna do something bad
but it’s accountability because we’re
human and it’s important to have that
accountability because it’s it’s
beautiful and it’s healthy and it’s
needed and you know it’s yeah I talked
to Morgan about everything I talked to
my parent as my parents about everything
and it’s really helpful to have how do
you why do you guys think you have that
openness with your with your parents I
think they’re open with this where they
did they kind of openly talk about
thirds of the daily thing I always
always should that’s like I you know I
remember like the first you know your
teenager you go through puberty and when
you know that that lady came around the
first time for the first time in might
the month the first month I ever had
yeah my mom looked at me and said you
know what this means right
you can now birth children and I was
mortified but I was like everyone it was
a stretch a mystery like this is the
reality
yeah at the same time that was the
reality it was the truth and I’m glad
that she she felt she felt that she
could tell me that she means well very
clearly both of your parents did an
amazing job in rearing you and raising
you and educate you in inspire and your
passions and your dreams and we’re all
the better for it that’s for sure
so listen there’s another song we want
to hear won’t you just take us out of
here with that beautiful song yes all
we’d love to hear it thank you thank you
for being here
on a Sunday evening I’m looking back
over all these and where happened
looking at old photographs I’m
remembering you were right there and you
have been absence with every pain to
Turtles oh I see your faithfulness the
melting where I cried the valley where
you are
that’s the story I’ll tell you brought
the pieces together maybe a storyteller
now I know it is well is well that’s the
story yeah – there was something like
Allah they will last forever but you can
t breathe and you were with me right
there I’m Nala you have done for me I
can never hold it in so here’s some nice
telling this story over and over again
and who the mountain where I climb the
valley where there you are there all
alone
that’s the story of tale
you brought the pieces together yeah
yeah sori tell
now I know it is well it is well that’s
the story ow – shoe holder broken you
hear my every cry my every cry and my
eyes are open and I know that it is well
it
the mountain where lies the valley where
I fell you would be all alone
that’s the story I’ll tell you brought
the pieces together make me the
storyteller now I know it is well it is
well – oh yeah
oh that’s so real
for years and years off
oh that’s the story on
you