How the Devil Tries to Steal Your Sleep
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/ lisabevere ______________ For information on my books, resources, speaking schedule, and more, visit LisaBevere.com Chapter Markers: 0:00 – Introduction: The Intimate Connection Between God and His Children 2:30 – Does God (Still) Speak to us in Dreams? 8:07 – Why Dreams Were More Common in the Old Testament 9:06 – Fasting to Regain Sensitivity 11:59 – Pre-Order Lisa’s New Book, The Fight for Female 12:42 – God’s Spirit on the Unsaved, Remembering the Dream 15:23 – God Wants to Invade Your Life 16:39 – Discernment: Dreams vs Nightmares 26:04 – How do we Know When Dreams are From God? 31:53 – Interpretation and Confirmation 37:50 – What to do After the Dream 46:32 – What to do When Other’s Have Dreams For You 48:45 – Taking Dreams Seriously 52:33 – Conclusion Music Sync ID: MB01IICC3DV6CIS
welcome to the fight for female podcast
I’m Lisa bavier and I am joined by my
daughter in Love Christian b and a
granddaughter making her presence known
yes yeah and she’ll be here soon today
we’re talking about something super
interesting maybe even controversial but
something I feel like is so incredibly
necessary to the days and the times that
we’re in right now we’re going to be
talking about dreams does God still
speak to us in dreams you know
Christian we want to always emphasize
the word of God but there is a reason
why dreams are so important first of all
I believe that God wants us to know not
just about him but know that he is
intimately connected to his children
there’s something so be beautiful in uh
in our time period of sleep even in
Zephaniah I mean we we just see this God
who sings over us this God who watches
over us this God who speaks to us in the
night watches he speaks peace he gives
his beloved sleep it says so I really
believe that God wants to speak
individually to express love his
Direction his provision and I also
believe that God wants to speak to his
children to actually just say in your
dreams yeah I’m talking to you I’m not
just talking about you in the scripture
I’m speaking to you personally as my son
and as my daughter that’s good so I’m
going to I’m going to open up with the
scripture first it’s from job 33: 14-6 I
always love going to the Book of Job I’m
like let’s just bust it out it says for
God speaks again and again though people
do not recog recognize it he speaks in
dreams in visions of the night when deep
sleep falls on people as they lie in
their beds he whispers in their ears and
terrifies them with warnings I love that
that’s the ending terrifies terrifies
like when you’re asleep wait be afraid
anyway but but Christian um does God
speak to us in dreams what do you think
has God ever spoken to you through a
dream
he has I mean there has I have you
because I know he has there’s been some
like chocolate induced dreams at night
where I was like was that God no okay
that was me but I mean this that verse
to me does not have an expiration date
on it so to me I’m thinking okay well if
God speaks through dreams he’s not just
going to stop one day but now there are
people that think that though they think
the moment the Bible got printed God was
like thank you I don’t have to say
anything else I don’t have to talk
through dreams I don’t talk through
Visions uh I don’t need to talk to
people through other people as far as
prophetically so there are people that
really question whether God still speaks
outside of the scripture and I want to
say on the very front end I do not
believe that God will ever say anything
contrary to the scripture but if you
have a dream that is in alignment with
What God Says in the scripture that I
think you don’t live by the dream but
you take that dream you submit it to
scripture so um well I know this is
important because a large premise of the
fight for female yes came from a dream
that you had and what I think some
people want to know before we even dive
into like how good speaks and all these
things is well does God give dreams to
everyone yeah does do only a few people
get these dreams like how do I begin to
hear God in that way to me when I hear
people think or ask that question does
God still speak they’re like well he
doesn’t get me dreams right so what
would you say to that person you know
and and that’s a great question you know
so out there I do believe that God wants
to speak to you more than you even want
to hear from him and I think it’s it’s
something my husband used to always say
like God is always speaking it’s like a
radio station he is always broadcasting
and we have to be in tune with the
spirit to hear what he is saying so
sometimes God speaks to us through the
word sometimes God speaks to us through
a minister sometimes God speaks to us
through a spouse through a friend even
through a child but I do believe that
God wants to speak to his people more
through dreams and visions and I feel
like we are having constant inundation
with distraction and it’s shutting Downs
people’s ability to receive dreams or
can I say night visions I feel like
there’s so many people are bearing their
gift of God their sensitivity to the
holy spirit with other things yeah that
they’ve lost a tenderness and you know
Christian as soon as I became a
Christian um I began to pray that God
would speak to me in the night watches
so I had been a child that had so many
nightmares growing up that I said all
right I I don’t want I don’t want my
night to be filled with images of
confusion and Terror I want God to be
sac in every space of my life so I would
pray before I would go to bed and i’ say
heavenly father you have full permission
to speak to me in the night watches now
giving full permission doesn’t mean
every single night I would have a dream
that I even remember but it does mean
that he had permission and so I had
created a
sensitivity and then if people are like
well I’m I’m not sure if God still
speaks we know he did it in the Old
Testament but does he still do it in the
New Testament and I’m so glad you asked
that because I have a scripture we look
at acts
2:17 it says and in the last days it
shall be God declares that I will pour
out my spirit on All Flesh so in the
last days God’s going to pour out his
Spirit on All Flesh and he says your
sons and your daughters shall prophesy
your young men shall see Visions your
old men shall dream dreams even on my
male servants and female servants in
those days I will pour out my spirit and
they shall prophesy and we know to
prophesy means you’re speaking under
divine inspiration so to prophesy means
to speak the word of God uh but that is
an echo of an Old Testament scripture of
Joel 2: 28-29 it says there was a
promise that was prophesied and it was
beginning to be fulfilled in Acts
2117 because we’re still in the last
days okay but in Joel 228 it says the
lurel p is spirit and it shall come to
pass afterwards and we know that
afterwards is when Jesus he breaks down
all the barriers and there’s a
Reconciliation where God can pour out
his Spirit on All Flesh why were there
more dreams in the Old Testament why are
we not seeing that in present day yeah
what happened okay a couple things first
of all um in the Old Testament they
didn’t have televisions they didn’t have
music they didn’t have constant
information coming their way constant
noise they didn’t have the ability to
disconnect with headphones they didn’t
have the ability to look at a world in
their hands with an iPhone and just
messaging being sent to you that maybe
has nothing to do with God’s plan for
your life I mean like you know we can we
can edit Our Lives we can make sure
we’re we’re protecting what comes in but
we we would be naive to think that
everything that’s coming in our
direction is something that God wants us
to weigh heavily so that inundation is
dulling people’s senses and and I would
say I would say like we used to the boys
didn’t like this but John and I we would
do family fast and we would tell our
kids no television
no family night movie no television we
would tell our kids no music but worship
music and they’d be like not this again
we would say for a month for a month we
would we would say we have lost our Edge
we have lost our sensitivity we are not
kind to one another there are songs
going on in my mind that I do not want
in my mind but I’ve allowed them them to
have preeminence maybe I went to a store
or a restaurant maybe I didn’t even turn
on the song and I would say I need to
sanctify myself I need to separate
myself and it’s been so interesting when
you
fast when you fast you actually increase
your sensitivity to the things of the
spirit but it takes a while it takes at
first you’re like no wait it’d be okay
if I just watch one episode of maybe
this The Chosen I just do the chosen The
Chosen is Christian or or you know
whatever and but the truth is you’re
observing you’re not leaning in you’re
not listening you’re not really
participating you’re spectating and too
many people in the spirit spectate
rather than participate so again I think
people need to
fast to hear they need to have silence
to hear again
and if I if I can separate myself where
I’m not putting a bunch of nonsense into
my brain all day my brain doesn’t have
to Wade through a swamp to get through
the information that I should have been
sensitive to but I lost my sensitivity
because I was distracted or I was
self-focused and not other focused and
or not Holy Spirit focused and so I feel
like that’s really really key right now
um especially we’re going into
we’re going into an
election where everything is going to be
so divisive so
dishonoring so you know like did you
hear this that we’re going to have to
step back and develop discernment and
discernment requires a sensitivity and
sensitivity and discernment and even
dreams and again I feel like we can
invite God but we also need to create an
environment for those dreams to happen
it’d be like me praying and say God give
me a garden he’s like go deal with your
soil go plant some seeds make sure you
water it make sure you weed it and so
again life in the spirit is very much
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interestingly enough God can actually
pour out his Spirit on people who are
not even saved I’ve heard that that’s
fascinating to me I mean if he says All
Flesh mhm yeah I mean I I remember
reading a story about when uh Alexander
the Great was Conquering the world he
had it said that he was going to invade
Jerusalem and um he had a dream and in
his dream he saw the priests coming out
in their full robes their full Temple
gar garments and with a urum and th the
whole breastplate and the high priest
coming out to meet him and in his dream
the priest said do not destroy the
temple and then the priest had a dream
and in that dream God spoke to the
priest and said go out and meet
Alexander the Great on the road when he
comes in to destroy to sack Jerusalem
and he did not you know he they met him
and he said God spoke to me in a dream
and so we saw got we look at different
scriptures we have Nebuchadnezzar has a
dream yeah we see Pharaoh has a dream
Pharaoh has this dream where he has
seven you know full uh prosperous cattle
eaten up by frail starving cattle then
the full ears of corn consumed by the
stricken ears of corn and he he can’t
figure out he calls all of his wise
people together and nobody can interpret
it but two years earlier two years
Joseph had interpreted a dream for a
baker and the cup Bearer and both of the
men exactly what Joseph said happened to
the men and what God did was he used
Joseph to not only preserve Egypt but to
preserve the children of Jacob because
they came to Joseph for grain and what
began as a dream that Joseph shared with
his brothers and it made him Furious it
said they just hated him more yeah what
got him into got him into trouble yeah
and what he hate you know what he shared
the dream with his father he said well
are your mother and I going to bow down
to you too he said but Jacob hid it in
his heart and here’s the thing when the
brothers show up starving it said that
Joseph remembered the dream so I think
sometimes we don’t even have an
interpretation of the dreams that God
even gives us until something happens
where we’re like wait a minute yeah I
remember the dream I remember the dream
and so God wants to speak to you because
God wants to be involved in your life he
he wants every area of your life he
wants to invade it with his word with
his spirit with his presence and he
wants to develop a sensitivity in you so
that you know that you’re hearing from
him there is something that so exciting
when you find it your life’s not
accidental that the things that you’ve
dreamed like I imagine when Joseph
remembered the dream he was like oh my
gosh and we know the whole looking back
he said you meant it for evil but God
meant it for good so there are things
that are warnings there are dreams that
are directional Paul saw a Macedonian
man it said in the book of Acts in a
night vision he knew it wasn’t a normal
dreams and the man invited him to come
and preach the gospel in Macedonia and
what happens to Paul he goes he’s like
okay I’m I’m I’m ready I’m going and
what happens he gets thrown in jail the
first day so just because God gives you
a dream doesn’t mean it’s going to be
easy it does mean that he’s giving you a
direction and at the end of the day when
God gives us clear direction we need to
operate in obedience you know Christian
I I think sometimes people have had
dreams that are great dreams and then
like most of us even when we were
children maybe there were nightmares and
Nightmares are very different than
dreams nightmares is when you wake up
and you’re just glad it’s not real and I
had a reoccurring nightmare I think we
talked about this in a previous episode
of three dead men following me and it
was oh I’ve never talked about this okay
we will talk about this right now so so
I had um so I’d had this dream I would
have it about once a year and in this
dream I would leave a place of light and
hope and safety and I would either be
riding my bike or walking to go to maybe
a friend’s house or something the
destination never mattered and I would
turn a corner and I would leave the
sunshine and I would enter a realm of
gray and I could see darkness in the
distance and even in the dream I’d be
like oh I hate this dream I hate this
dream and I try to pull myself out of it
but always out of the darkness would
emerge three different men and they
would start walking towards me and I
would turn and try to run back into the
sunlight but I was always trapped in the
realm of gray one man was a skeleton one
man was half decayed and one man was
newly dead and they were terrifying I
mean to this day I don’t I don’t like
Char dick WR your dream seriously it
does sound like that and I kept trying
to run and no matter how fast I ran they
just walked they just walked steadily
they didn’t run no matter how fast I ran
they always caught up to me and I would
try to you know I would say you can’t
hurt me you’re dead like in my dream i’
would say you’re dead you’re dead you
can’t hurt me and I would pick something
up and throw it at them and as soon as I
did something in the natural they would
do something like cut off my hand or
stab me and this dream I would wake up
like this so yeah I become a Christian
and instead of the dream going away it
escalates and now it’s not once a year
it’s once a night and I remember asking
John like if maybe it was once a month
then once a week then oh yeah then every
single night and I’d pull I’d pull
myself out of the dream and re-enter it
in another scenario and I was like John
pray for me I’m having these nightmares
they’re horrifying you need to pray for
me and I was very distraught that number
one John praying for me and us praying
in agreement and us you know claiming
the promise of the scripture that you
give your beloved sleep and you know and
that our sweet our sleep would be sweet
well I was not having good sweet restful
sleep I was having nightmares I’m like
maybe I’m not the Beloved what is going
on and and then you know also binding
the devil and felt like that was very
demonic and um so I call I called my
spiritual father and when you know John
and I I was I was afraid to go to sleep
I was afraid um I called my spiritual
father and he said I’m going to send you
some cassette tapes and he sent me
cassette tapes on the sins of the
fathers
and I went through these cassette tapes
because that’s how old I am and what
cassette yeah seriously and I found out
um that I had three
generations of agreement with Darkness
wow and they were following me and and I
just went through and prayed of prayers
of surrender breaking agreements you
know my my grandfather was on the
Manhattan Project my you know he did you
all the floration chlorination my
grandmother and my my you know my
grandfather and my father we’re talking
about adultery we’re talking about
alcoholism we’re talking about so much
Brokenness we’re talking about
miscarriage talking about cancer my
mother had cancer my grandmother had
cancer I was born with cancer lost an
eye to
cancer only to find out later that my
grandfather who was a 32nd degree Mason
had made some vows and one of the vows
was if I break any of this one of my
descendants loses an eye so I like and
you for those that don’t know you’ve
lost an eye yes yes and so I lost an ey
at five and they said it was just like
they don’t know where it came from my
goodness so anyway I prayed everything I
knew to pray I renounced all of the
things we brot we wrote this prayer out
that I prayed actually in the fight for
female book cuz I want everybody to you
know people are like I don’t believe in
that that’s fine you’re not having
nightmares you know maybe you came from
nice people I did not come from nice
people maybe you came from people who
didn’t make all sorts of occultic uh
alliances but I did and and Christian
after going through that time of prayer
the dream disappeared and I actually
realized wait I haven’t had that dream
and God said those were the three
generations wow of
agreement I here’s the thing I’ve heard
I hear so much about how trauma trauma
is generational and it’s like paper you
know paper cuts and it’s constant and
it’s constant well here’s the thing I am
the beginning of a thousand Generations
who love God and keep his Commandments I
am not bringing the prom the trauma the
problems the sin those things we have a
new bloodline and the moment I got born
again like I said that’s it going
forward we will live differently going
forward I mean and and so that
prayer that that so in a lot of ways
that dream that felt like it was
demonic actually was a Discerning of
what I was wrestling in the spirit and
it wasn’t when I first got saved it was
probably I’d been saved for about a year
and a half and um and I just had started
to really pursue Holiness and I think
the enemy was like hey we don’t want you
pursuing that you know we’ve had an
allegiance and an alliance with this
family line for a long time we’re not
going to just give this up without a
fight and people are like well the the
moment you get born again all the curs
is broken well Satan is a legalist so if
you don’t know who you are in Christ he
will do everything he can to steal and
Rob from you and so that dream was a
punctuating moment for me and and the
very reason why I included the prayer in
this book so that people can just pause
and say holy spirit I I we’re we’re the
beginning mhm of a new generation that’s
amazing I had no I had not heard that
dream I would have definitely remembered
yeah I wrote it and kissed the girls
okay yeah yeah wow yeah it was it was a
life-changing well praise God for
getting free for finding that freedom
for having people to point you back to
to digging deeper instead of just
avoiding but you’re you’re touching on
this I know we don’t talk about dreams a
whole lot and I think we think okay well
like you said we have the word so we
don’t really need to add on to that but
I think the heightening when someone has
a nightmare it sticks with them it wakes
them up we know that that’s real but
dreams were like oh maybe they exist
maybe God still speaks so why do you
think that we are so amp to say yeah
nightmares are real and they’re they’re
quick to believe the reality of a
nightmare than a dream yes yeah well I
mean I think we tend to be negative you
know no at least I do anytime I’ve had a
nightmare that involved my children the
first thing I did is I woke up in the
middle of the night and I’ve had a
nightmare I’m going to pray yeah and I’m
going to pray for the safety of my
children I’m going whatever whatever
that
dream like felt like presented a risk
I’m going to pray the protection and
then I’m also going to be wise like we
don’t want to have a fear driven
counseling but we do have to say well
that’s a dangerous situation so I’m
going to do everything I can to avoid
that situation and so yeah I remember
having a number of Dreams uh about my
children being at risk when they were
young and I would just sit up and I
would be like in the name of Jesus that
is not what’s going to happen to my
children God is going to give me wisdom
I am I’m going to be like a mama bear I
am not going to allow this to happen
Holy Spirit show me what’s going on and
then also when I would have some stuff
with maybe concerns with my kids I just
go upstairs while they’re asleep and I
would lay hands on them in their sleep
not scream and yell but just in the name
of Jesus I take my authority as their
mother in the spirit and they are
Sanctified and separated for God I mean
Hannah yeah Hannah said hey Samuel this
is what you’re doing you know it’s like
I’m sorry before I even conceived you I
consecrated you
yeah dreams are important because they
they make us move they make it allow us
to change things I remember having a
dream one time that Azie had a um
terrible fever and then you know there
sometimes we like oh no that’s not going
to happen but I walked into his room 102
degree fever overnight no symptoms so
it’s so powerful yeah dreams are
powerful dreams are powerful yeah and I
don’t think that we should neglect them
or allow them to drive us but they can
be directional MH and protectional I
love that so dreams are directional yeah
they’re from God they’re directional I
want to ask a question that I’m sure
many people are thinking right now how
do you know when a dream is from God or
not because I’m sure if I was Joseph I
would have been like man that was a
fever dream and that f dream got me
kicked out of my family she never shared
it right um I’m messing things up that
for me that was always the thing with
dreams is like well I believe God can
speak through dreams but how do I trust
myself to discern like I would always
get in my way so for the person
wondering that same thing absolutely
where’s your where’s your guardrails
yeah so first of all the word of God is
always going to be the guardrail if it
is something that is completely contrary
to the word of God I love how actually
in I believe it’s in Deuteronomy it’s
says if a divor or a dream interpreter
comes to you with a dream and that
interpretation of that dream drives you
away from the things that the Lord your
God has told you to follow if it’s
pointing you towards idolatry God’s like
kill them just just go ahead and kill
him don’t don’t listen to him it’s a
test to see if you fear the lord and
then kill the prophet but God isn’t
we’re not doing the Old Testament
Prophet thing anymore where you have to
go to somebody to hear Jesus is our
intercessor but when I’ve had a dream
that stays with me that I can still see
yeah that is quickened and and something
that feels more more heavy more weighty
than my other dreams like there’s dreams
sometimes when I’m first waking up I
remember them but by the time I’ve taken
a shower I have absolutely no idea what
I dreamed um but the dreams that I get
from the holy Spirit which I I would
love to say it’s every week it’s not
it’s not and I would love to say it’s
because I’m so spiritual it’s not I
believe it’s first and foremost because
I gave God permission speak to me
however you want wake me up in the
middle of the night if you need to just
don’t be silent and I think that we need
to pray those kind of prayers right now
however God wants to speak to you you
give him permission to do that wake you
up if he needs to wake you up talk to
you in the middle of the night if he
needs to talk to you or give you a dream
so when we were reading in the very
beginning that God gives us Direction he
gives us warnings warnings um when I’ve
had dreams that have impressed itself
you know I I know that I know when I
first got saved I had a dream brand new
Christian I had a dream that people were
running in One Direction and I was
trying to stop them and and I had such
an awareness that I was going to to be a
person that would stand and say you’re
heading towards destruction I mean I had
such a sense that people were running in
the wrong direction and and I don’t you
know I feel like that’s been something
that’s unfolded I before I ever even
married John um didn’t you ever dream
about Arden I did yeah you want to share
about that how did you know how did you
know it was real I mean you’re sitting
there pregnant with his child but how
did you know that was real this is the
Lord um I love that yours is like
Ministry Direction no I I think this is
sweet too to share that there’s all kind
of different directions like for me when
I was in my early 20s one of the biggest
things is like okay God well I want to
go where you want me to go and I don’t
want to go where you don’t I want to be
with who you’ve called me to be with and
I don’t want to be with who you haven’t
and um I remember having a dream and
like even now I can see it so clearly
which I think is beautiful you say that
they stick with you visually emotionally
and um I was in a time of singleness and
my friends were engaged and I moved back
home and I was like I’m not going to
meet anybody back in Alabama
you know I I don’t know where to go from
here and I fell asleep and in my dream
I’m walking out and there’s just these
like mountainous trees everywhere and I
was like okay this is somewhere I’ve
never been and I walk out and there’s a
bunch of people and they just start
clapping they’re like congratulations
and I was like what’s going on and I
look over and I’m holding hands with
this tall man and um he puts on his
glasses and someone says congratulations
on your engagement so I was like okay
I’m engaged to this man I’ve never seen
before that’s exciting you know God if
you would have told me here here’s his
name here’s when it’s gonna happen that
would have been great but I just had
some direction to go off you know
nothing I could wake up and do the next
day nothing of you know even I just
cherish it in my heart and I think
that’s for dreams sometimes it’s it is
okay go and do this or even like you
were saying I don’t know what that
running Direction looks like but I’m
going to hold fast to that I’m going to
let that speak to me and I remember on
our second date ardan did something he’s
said oh let me go it’s a virtual date
cuz we were long distance which is fun
we should do something on that to
encourage people wasn’t it didn’t he
like watch a movie with you oh yeah we
we were doing something on FaceTime and
they said oh hold on let me go get my
glasses on and as soon as I saw that the
images in my mind Linked UP And I was
like oh my goodness this is that man did
you propose yeah I did hey why you’re
getting your glasses can uh can I get
down on one KNE no he uh he proposed he
did it the traditional route you raised
a a gentleman but yeah it things like
that I had dreams of when I was pregnant
of times that I was scared that I had
food poisoning and like my baby was
going to be um ill or something of just
comfort and so I think that God can
speak to us for for vision of hey
there’s hope here’s where I want you to
go there’s Comfort um there’s something
I’m calling you to do and so I love that
we have this this full terrain of why
God even speaks yeah and and here’s
again we’re going to just keep saying
this until you hear it he wants to speak
to everyone not just ministers not just
men not just women he wants to speak to
everyone not just Christian not just
Lisa I you know funny that you would say
that um I
remember I did not I did not know I was
pregnant with ardan and I had a dream
that I was trying to cross a four-lane
highway and I was pregnant and I’m I’m
like trying to navigate you know
traffic’s going this way traffic’s going
that way and I’m trying to run from one
side of the street to the other and I’m
feeling so like panicked because not
only um I’m trying to cross the street
but I’m pregnant and I feel at risk and
I’m carrying a baby and I remember I
woke up and I sat up in the bed and I
looked at John and said I’m pregnant and
he’s like what I said oh nothing nothing
I said I just had a dream that I was
pregnant and I was trying to cross a
four lane highway but it was God saying
four sons and I went and got a pregnancy
test and I hadn’t even missed a period
and and I knew that I was pregnant with
ardan and um I named him ardan
Christopher because fiery and determined
but right away we didn’t know it was
going to be a boy until I had the dream
and then we had the sonogram so I think
that God can confirm Dreams yeah and um
dreams aren’t always I mean two years
after Joseph interpreted the dream but I
don’t even know how many years I I’ve
heard it said I think it’s like 10 years
between being a Slave and then being in
prison and that time period from the
dream being given to the dream being
fulfilled and and I think sometimes we
want to make something happen where God
is saying I’m on the other side of this
already it’s going to be okay I also
dreamed I was pregnant with Addison and
that was interesting because it was the
last day that I was under um the
benefits of Eli Lily pharmaceutical
company and I had a dream the night
before po took a pregnancy test found
out I was pregnant and they covered the
baby so it was just this crazy moment I
remember when I had I had uh just three
boys and I started having nightmares
about my grandmother being trapped in
the Attic of her house and it was the
such bizarre dreams and so John John
said for Mother’s Day what do you want
what do you want to do for Mother’s Day
and I said I want to do one thing and he
said what I said I want to go see my
grandmother and she was up in Indiana we
were living in Florida in the time
and I remember um I came to my
grandmother she was living in an
apartment and she had basically severe
dementia and I remember I took her out
to dinner and she started saying some
things to me and she said but you know
what if I’m ever in danger Lisa will
take care of me and I remember I reached
across the table and I said
Grandma I am Lisa and she just burst
into tears and and um she said what is
going on with me why didn’t I know you
were Lisa and I said it’s okay it’s okay
and we were able to make provision for
her to be safe and um and did you know
she had dementia yet no okay no uh we
did not know she had dementia and I I
when I went to see her nobody did cuz
nobody was there she was lighting
matches and and uh looking at at things
in the dark and just dropping the match
matches on the car bit and she was
sending this is kind of funny but kind
of sad she was writing checks to a
liquor store um multiple checks for like
maybe $12 and all the checks were all
over the dining room table and she would
send a taxi out to go get her her liquor
and um so I had someone check on her
that was a a beautiful friend of my
parents who was an attorney and and we
were able to rescue her but she could
have burned the place down yeah and and
you know when I when I look back her
being trapped in an attic it felt like
she was imprisoned in her mind yeah yeah
it was crazy so we want to listen to
those things provisional yeah alcohol
and gas it’s not a good alcohol that’s
not a good mix yeah was so sad I think
the last day that she was there she was
um she was in her night gown walking
down the highway I know it’s hard it’s
hard um so I do believe that God wants
to speak to us about things like that he
wants to comfort us but but asking you
know so does God use dreams yes does how
do we cultivate that I believe we can
ask for God to give us a sensitivity for
the things of the spirit whether he
wants to speak to us in the night
watches or he wants to speak to us where
we see things that maybe other people
are missing God wants to speak in the
language of visions and dreams then we
said how do you know the dream is from
God it it’s punctuated and usually if
it’s a Dream from God there’ll be a
moment where it’s confirmed when I found
I was pregnant when you found out oh
Arden wears glasses when all of the
sudden I have this dream with the birth
of the sun you will awaken a lionist
when I had the dream where I can still
see that dream when I had the dream
about
random rainbow colored dragons with
children’s clothing I mean that is such
a random dream that you don’t forget it
and then having that in 2016 and not
writing the book until 2023 and then
finding out the book comes out in
2024 yeah which is the year of the
dragon and people are like isn’t that
Australia no it’s the Chinese New Year
of the Dragon well do we follow that no
but it isn’t it is it is interesting
that dragons represent chaos and
destruction and we are in an election
year so we shouldn’t be surprised are
not led by the Chinese New Year but we
are also not ignorant of what the enemy
is trying to do so so I hear you
answering a question that I want to ask
what do what do you do once you get the
dream what’s your next do you write it
down do you pray into it do you say God
confirm this I sleep with an iPad by my
bed and I will tend to type things out
in my bed without even turning on the
lights so that I’ve got the iPad how
often do you misspell words a
lot especially with predictive typing
yeah and I you know I have I have a
typing key thing so like it lights up
but I will try to write it down right
away and um there’s going to be again
for me no I you know I want the Holy
Spirit to speak to me more but again I’m
going to always I’ll write it
down then I might share it with my
husband in the morning if I still feel
it and then I’m going to check it with
scripture Okay so I had such a sense uh
this is a dream I had years ago I had
such a sense that there was an attack on
the body of Christ but here was the
dream that I had I I hate spiders I I
probably even hate spiders more than I
hate snakes like I I like if I see the
way the spiders even move I like freak
out so I had this dream that I actually
thought was real I in my dream I’m
asleep in my bed and I look down and I
realized that somebody has put like a
big duffel bag on the floor by my bed
and I thought why is there a duffel bag
on the floor by my bed and then I
noticed it was unzipped and then I
notice spiders yes spiders started
climbing out of the duffel bag and I’m
like can I get it zipped fast enough and
I couldn’t I couldn’t but I could grab
the handles and I remember I ran the
duffel bag into the bathroom and I threw
it in the bathtub and I turned on the
water and I drowned the spiders and and
it was so real I actually thought it had
happened and I sat my bed I was like
okay wait there’s no duffel bag there’s
no spiders the water’s not running the
water’s not running it didn’t happen but
it’s like I still can see that
dream and so when I prayed about it like
when I woke up the next morning I like
that was terrifying were you trying to
speak to me and God said um there’s an
oppression attacking my people and it’s
the things they keep in the baggage of
their
tell them to drown it with the of my
word and so I remember I just got on
whatever social media I had access to in
that moment I think it was Facebook and
I said listen there are some of you
right now and you are wrestling with
depression and oppression and it’s
because you’re carrying around the
baggage of the things in your past and
God is saying you need to drown it with
the water of his word so it’s going to
always go back to Jesus it’s going to
always go back to God’s word it you know
I don’t call other people for dream
interpretations you know I’ve tried a
couple times people like we got nothing
so usually if you’re going to have a
dream you can actually take it to to God
and take it to the word and say what are
you what are you saying to me through
this and so hopefully that dream wasn’t
about me as much as it was about people
that were hurting and so many people
reached out to me and said that just
resonated I was fighting discouragement
I was fighting despair I was fighting
oppression I was fighting depression and
I need to get into the word the word
washes us with the water of the Holy
Spirit why shouldn’t we go to people to
interpret dreams CU Joseph interpreted
the dreams yes Joseph did interpret the
dreams I mean if you want somebody to
say you’re going have your head cut off
um no I I mean here’s the thing I it’s
probably not wrong but I do feel that
God wants to speak to you directly so
you can go to the word but yeah I mean
if you’re really if you trust somebody
if you trust somebody and they know you
well enough and they know the Holy
Spirit well
enough that’s I feel like those people
are rare and and I’ve had people come to
me and say hey I had this dream you know
what do you think about it and I’m like
I I’ve got nothing you know or I ask
them what do you think and they’ll say I
feel like it’s God saying a b and c cuz
normally if you’re having a dream your
brain is processing something so it’s
something that you picked up during the
day that you missed the cues on like for
example this is really interesting I
don’t know if you have seen this but
people are completely unaware of what is
going on around them like I was walking
um I was walking in Dallas Texas
recently and as I was walking past
people people almost every person I
walked past was either on the phone or
had headphones in so they’re missing
audio cues they’re missing visual cues
and people are dumbing down they’re
awareness of their surroundings so I
feel like I like to go to God and say
why are you having to give me a dream
what am I not listening to where where
am I not sensing itive um I also have
heard that your brain is functions as a
processor like a highly high level
Community uh computer where you take an
input all during the day and at night
your body your brain processes what
happened during the day that’s why you
can go to bed saying yeah I feel really
good about that purchase and then wake
up the next morning go we should not do
it yeah and that’s because your advice
to sleep on things is what you’re saying
your advice to sleep on things yeah so I
don’t I mean I wish listen if if you’re
out there and you know some dream
interpreters recommend them in the
comments put in the comments put them in
the comments well what I’m hearing you
say is we’re so quick to want the
answers and want it validated where
Instead This is an opportunity to keep
listening and speaking with God so it’s
not that people are wrong but you want
people to keep tuning in with God like
take the dream deeper is what I’m
hearing you say you know when it says
that if you receive a prophet in the
name of the Prophet you receive a
prophet’s reward and when you think
about the prophet’s reward you think
what is the prophet’s reward being cut
in half being stoned uh living on the
outer fringes of Life uh eating you know
grasshoppers or Locust and honey like
what what is a prophet’s reward well
prophets have the ability to hear and
see what God is saying and what God is
doing so I do believe that there is a
prophetic anointing in the body of
Christ that’s supposed to remove the
obstacles that are in your heart so that
you see and you hear rather than going
to a a Seer and bringing a dior’s fee to
say hey can you help me out here I feel
like God is saying go to the word get on
your knees I want to speak to you
directly I feel like we all need to have
a keen sense of the word of God so yeah
if you you know somebody if you know
somebody that you trust their
sensitivity and they’re not going to
draw you to their gifting but they’re
going to draw you to the Gift Giver
they’re going to draw you to the one who
lifts all people up rather than just say
come to me come to me if you’ve got
somebody like that that’s amazing I mean
it did say that Daniel had the gift of
interpreting dreams it also said that
Joseph had the gift of interpreting
dreams Paul didn’t have to go to an
interpreter he actually had a very clear
ability it was interesting for me when I
was studying about this repairing it
said that the fact that God showed
Pharaoh the same thing in a different
way twice the cattle and then the cattle
that was you know diminished and then
the corn and then the corn that was
diminished said that this was going to
happen it was sure it was not going to
be changed and so I do think some dreams
that are
warnings it is something that God saying
you can do something about it if you are
willing and obedient you will it’s
always an
if you’re saying like in scripture where
he goes truly truly I say the repetition
is significant okay I want to ask you a
different side of that coin yes so um
I’ve had more dreams outside of
pregnancy but you dreams are wild they
are and this is my reality very much so
but with uh asarah I had dreams right
before kind of similar to you right when
I was finding out I was pregnant had a
dream that he was a boy had a dream of
protection and then um with baby girl I
we went through a period of trying to
get pregnant took longer MH and I feel
like in the discouragement I was like
okay God like when is this going to
happen are you going to give me any
dreams are you going to give us any
timeline and probably a week before we
knew we were pregnant we had three
people that we trust come to us and say
hey I’ve had a dream that you’re going
to be pregnant soon and so it was kind
of a flip of I went from hearing dreams
from God to other people having dreams
so what do you do on the other side of
when someone else has a dream for you I
think it’s one thing of okay God gave me
a dream I’m going to interpret it with
him but are we cautious when someone has
a word or a dream for us what are we
supposed to do when we’re receiving
those no and and that’s a that’s a great
valid question first of all do you know
the person the Bible says know those who
labor among you you don’t want does
anybody uh lay hands on you or justes
anybody speak into your life like hey I
had a dream um and then you judge it you
judge it with the word you judge it like
let’s all just be honest we we can feel
yucky about something you know and like
I I don’t I don’t feel good about that
these are obviously people you had a
relationship with where you trusted them
and you’re asking God something and they
have voice in your life and relationship
in your life um I’ve had crazy people on
social media say things to me and I’m
like hey I like I just brush it off I
don’t have I don’t have relationship
with them they don’t have voice in my
life uh I don’t know who they are I
don’t know what they stand for and so
you you do want to to guard that you do
want to guard your heart and again guard
not in prison you don’t want to isolate
yourself but but guard and um Joseph did
say hey bring your dreams bring your
dreams to me um another thing Jesus
Jesus I mean Joseph was like hey wait a
minute I I’m engaged I’m betrothed to
Mary and she’s pregnant and and I don’t
want to set her up to Public public
scorn so I’m going to quietly divorce
her and it says I love this it says now
the birth of Jesus Christ took place in
this way when his mother Mary had been
betro to Joseph before they came
together she was found to be with child
from the Holy Spirit and her husband
Joseph being a just man and unwilling to
put her to shame can I just can we just
pause on that a moment just men don’t
shame women okay resolved to divorce her
quietly but as he considered these
things behold an angel of the Lord
appeared to him in a
dream appeared to him in a dream saying
Joseph son of David do not fear to take
Mary as your wife for that which is
conceived in her is from the Holy Spirit
she will bear a son and you shall call
his name Jesus for he will save his
people from their sins then we know
again in a
dream God tells Joseph to take Mary and
Jesus and flee to Egypt now think about
that he got got up it said and he rose
and took the child and his mother by
night like he woke up in the middle of
the night had this dream and was like
Hey get up get up pack your stuff he
took Mary and he took Jesus by night in
the middle of the night they fled to
Egypt and and I just I just realized
Christian people paid attention to
dreams back then yeah think about
Solomon when did God appear to Solomon
in a dream in a dream God said what do
you want he Saidi want wisdom I want
wisdom so God wants to speak to us in
our dreams God wants to speak to us
through our dreams it sounds like God
wants to speak to some of us through the
dreams of other people Christian you’ve
had friends you can
trust I feel like God has tapped me on
the shoulder a couple times through
dreams and said hey you this dream is
not about you this dream is about them
like arising when God said with the
birth of his son you will awaken a
lioness he was not talking about me he
was talking about the women in the body
of Christ that a fierce nurturing wake
up where they would begin to fight to
protect the children when I had the
dream where women were partnering with
Dragons it was the very opposite of what
I felt like God had commissioned me to
wake up and so again I didn’t write the
book because of the
dream the message of the book was
confirmed by The Dream which we see in
Revelation we see this war between a
woman and a dragon we see a woman
pregnant we know that’s Mary
specifically talking about Jesus but
then we also see this woman being
attacked and the Very Earth opens up and
swallows all that the dragon releases at
her and I believe that’s pornography
misogyny sex trafficking everything that
would denigrate both male and female
everything that would denigrate the
sanctity of life everything that would
denigrate the image of God and so we
want to
fight not just with the dreams but with
the word yeah I love the very first
sentence in the fight for femal says God
has spoken and God speaks yeah and if
you’re curious you’re like I I’m just on
the cuss of this I want to know more I
want to learn how God even wants to
speak to me I encourage you to get the
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and begin to hopefully go on that deep
dive and and have some amazing dreams
and you can let us know what they and I
do believe that God wants to speak to
you through dreams and um yeah we all
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