How to Discern Evil Spirits In Your Home

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mothers that ignore their intuition they

do it at their own Peril we need to be

aware of the things coming into our

house right now the enemy is constantly

attempting home invasions like he is

invading with pornography he is invading

with the occult he is invading with

perversion he is constantly trying to

get us to laugh or partner with things

that are not really funny to be

entertained by things we should be

actually exercising Authority over when

you constantly allow those things to

come in it dulls you I’m hearing we need

the Holy Spirit Holy Spirit for

discernment but there’s also this Spirit

of perversion The Jezebel spirit what

are these spirits that we need to be

aware of and the areas they’re affecting

children especially today yeah

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well today we’re going to be talking

about something that there seems there

is an epidemic lack of M and that is

called discernment today we’re going to

be talking about on all friends

discernment yes and you know women

actually used to be known for

discernment I think it was Einstein that

said I would rather trust a woman’s

intuition than a man’s knowledge that

ability to actually discern something

something doesn’t feel right and I feel

like so much of the culture has taught

women to distrust their intuition and

their discernment and to lean into

factual or lean into culturals and we

need we need you and we all need to

redevelop and reconnect with discernment

yeah I feel like that carries weight

coming from Einstein too like one of the

most brilliant brilliant men I’m going

to lean into my discernment okay well

this is really important too because I

think the women are wondering I want to

be Discerning for my home I want to be

protective of my home in the atmosphere

and today is is Halloween it’s a day

where Christians are like okay I feel

like maybe I should be Discerning

there’s some stuff out there but we’re

not sure what it is I’m just going to

ask you off the bat growing up in the

bav household yes did you partake in the

costumes the candy well we kind of okay

so to me there’s always Darkness out

there no matter what day it is but

Halloween becomes this culmination and

celebration of it which we cannot agree

with just I’m we’re just not going to

agree with that we did take our uh boys

to the Hallelujah nights at the church

uh we did we did dress them up as Bible

characters and animals and they did go

to the hall hallelujah

nights uh that’s amazing yeah we did do

that so and again we we had

conversations and you know your husband

was born in October yeah and he was like

I hate Halloween this is my birthday

month he would get so distraught about

it he’s still kind of a a little bit

upset about that the whole Halloween

stuff and I’m like I’m okay with that

I’m all right with that yeah so we just

anger yeah yeah so we you know we we

need to be aware that a high holy

celebration of evil should not be a

celebration for the Christians but I

think for us it was more like our kids

are not going out to retreating so we’re

going to take them to the church and

there’ll be a petting zoo that was

basically the tradeoff there’s more

dangersous right now with like what’s in

the candy and where are they going so

it’s probably just safer if anyone’s

watching this maybe not go

trick-or-treating tonight go to your

church but you’re picking up you know

we’re talking about discernment and I

want to know okay so as a mom not just

on Halloween but through your your years

of raising children what are some things

that you learned I need to have a

discernment of this Spirit of this

notion and what would you encourage

other moms to to be aware of yeah well

and again

like we need to be aware of the things

coming into our house right now are I

mean when I was writing the fight for

female I literally told I literally

wrote that the enemy is constantly

attempting home invasions like he is

invading with pornography he is invading

with the occult he is invading with

perversion he is constantly trying to

get us to laugh or partner with things

that are not really funny to be

entertained by things

that we should be actually exercising

authority over like we need to have an

awareness and

again when you constantly allow those

things to come in it dulls you it dulls

you to the real things that are going on

so discernment is a gift of the spirit

it’s a gift of the spirit and I think

that we can get so busy taking other

stuff in that we lose a sensitivity and

a discernment of the Holy Spirit so you

know I I uh was doing some questions and

answers and somebody said would it be

okay for me to ask God to give me the

Discerning of spirits and I would say

yes yes please please all of us because

right now there’s stuff that will will

start like John will start to watch a

show and I’ll be some something feels

like it’s about ready to not be okay and

sure enough it it all happen and so we

do not want to partner with those kind

of things because when we partner with

those things we have a familiarity with

them we have a familiarity with it it

actually breeds a contempt for the

things that are holy and set apart for

god um so discernment with our kids is a

beautiful thing like you you talked

about in previous episodes about having

a dream that Azariah had a fever but see

you’re his mother and he actually his

DNA is still in you

so you’re actually connected to him in

ways that you don’t even know that

you’re connected to him I remember

seeing a shadow on one of my sons and I

started to pray and I like I his

countenance his countenance just seems

shadowed and I said I don’t you know are

you okay and like yeah Mom fine don’t

you know don’t bother me and and he he

just couldn’t look me in the eyes like

normal he there was something that felt

off so I remember I was driving in the

car and I was like God I do not know

what’s going on with my son but I know

that something has shadowed him and

shamed him and I I want that thing

exposed and I swear I was I went and got

my hair cut colored or whatever I was

doing back then and I’m driving back and

John calls me and he said Lisa our uh

our computer broke and I had to bring

someone in to repair it and they found

history or pornography on the computer

and John Saidi I think it’s this one son

I said no no it’s not him I said I know

who it is and he was like what I said I

it’s I know who it is and he said well

that’s interesting he was hovering

around the computer guy and I said you

know what we’re going to rescue him yeah

we’re going to rescue him we’re not

going to shame him we’re going to rescue

him and I said we’re going to entrap him

because I am Sicilian and I said so so

we pulled one of our other sons in and

we

said this is what’s going on

will you be party to this and he saides

I’ll do that so we pulled the sun in

that somebody had just shown him some

things on the computer they were working

on a school project just working and we

had all the little filter things that we

knew to have on it at the time we kept

our computer in the kitchen but they

took it down to the basement to print

and I just remember we took the son who

was at risk and we li to him and we said

hey we think so and so saw pornography

and he’s afraid to tell us and he’s

feeling shame right now and we’re just

we’re so concerned and the Sun that had

been exposed burst into tears and

started weeping and said it’s not him

it’s me and we said we know baby we know

and you know what we’re going to do

communion and we’re going to walk with

you and that shadow will no longer have

a sway over your life and we need to

discern what’s going on and then we need

to understand that we’re not wrestling

with our children but we’re wrestling

with an enemy who wants to darken their

understanding who wants to entrap them

in shame who wants to entrap them in

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your son battling that shadow that

darkness and thinks that’s too

terrifying I’m not spiritually equipped

enough for that can you just Empower her

that one she’s not alone because God is

able and God loves our kids even more

than we do yeah well God is able when we

are incapable

and and that’s the whole thing is God is

able to do exceedingly abundantly above

all that we can ask hope pray or believe

we look at our self and our inability

and we think that God’s going to only

work with us and God’s like uh if you

ask yeah I will exceed you know I I love

how the book of Jeremiah says before you

even ask I will answer and I will show

you Great and Mighty things that you

know not of but God is always asking us

to ask I I love that Jesus saids ask

that your father would be glorified and

so I think too many of us are tempted to

pray the problem instead of praying a

much larger world and answer for our

children you know that our children are

disciples taught of the Lord and great

is their peace and undisturbed composure

that we pray a framework that gives them

freedom of movement too many people like

oh God just save my kids from the bad

World instead of saying I thank you that

my children are ambassadors I thank you

that my children are disciples I thank

you that my children are for signs and

wonders and not for death and

destruction and again praying larger

dreams praying bigger like what you know

it’s like us Christian how many times

have you gone into prayer with a

problem and then you have a revelation

of a God who is more than able to do

exceeding abundantly and and the thing

that you brought as as a problem you see

the larger answer of who he is and maybe

what he’s doing through that process and

again we have to be so aware that the

enemy is working over time to tell our

children that they are victims that they

are traumatized that they are lacking

that they are less than that they are

you know divided how say and it’s not

because our children are victims it’s

because they’re threats and we need to

constantly say that over our kids you’re

not a victim you’re a threat you’re

going through hardship not because

you’re weak but because it’s going to

make you strong and and again you know I

I love

positioning my grandkids with stories of

our struggles they think oh you and g

daddy you know you’ve always been on a

stage writing books no no laying our

hands on calendars

asking God to open doors asking God to

give back love when we felt like our

marriage was just going through emotions

God is able So to that Mom that feels

she is incapable she has no margin that

she’s not getting enough selfcare or

whatever it is God is able but you do

need to ask I was um I was sharing with

another Minister that there are certain

things in the spirit that have a calling

voice they have Spirits attached to to

them like when I was a little girl um my

parents I if I Babys out my brother I

had the big privilege of sleeping in my

parents bedroom and they had a TV in

their bedroom it was like the coolest

thing ever like a TV in the bedroom I

could sleep in a king-size bed they’d

wake me up when they came home and I

remember I was watching a show and then

all a sudden I just felt like I needed

to look at a drawer and I started

looking at the drawer and all sudden I

felt like I needed to go open that

drawer and I go and open the drawer and

then I felt like there’s just closed and

I feel like no you need to lift up that

P

and I lifted it up and there was

pornography and um it had called to me

from a drawer and I just want to say if

if you’re seeing a shadow on your

children if you’re seeing

something trust your mother intuition

now I was such I was such an outspoken

child my parents the next morning I was

like what the heck is this doing in his

house I pulled it out I like what is

this you know but out of the mouth of

bab yes I was like I’m horrified by this

behavior and they threw it away but um

good but your children your children God

has given you

discernment but if you do not trust that

discernment if you push it aside if you

allow fear to come in but you do not

allow the Holy Spirit to lead you’re

going to lose you’re going to lose some

of your pathways on that okay I’m

hearing we need the Holy Spirit Holy

Spirit for discernment but there’s also

this Spirit of perversion there’s

perhaps a Jezebel spirit we’ve heard

that what are these spirits that we need

to be aware of in the areas they’re

affecting children especially today yeah

well and whenever we go into spiritual

warfare we want to make sure we do not

have an alignment with the thing we’re

fighting and um you know when John and I

were I just had my second baby and every

other week we were being threatened to

be fired I mean every other week it was

just like I parum right after having a

baby right while I was pregnant and then

right after I had the baby and one of

the particular women that um she was

this she was married to the executive

Pastor we’re at the copy machine and she

just looked at me and she said things

are going to change around here because

I sleep with the big guy and I just I

just stood there like what what did she

just say to to me I sleep with the big

guy is she saying my husband’s going to

get fired and she was after my husband

and I thought she is going to S sexually

manipulate her husband until he fires my

husband and that was confirmed and so I

remember I had you know I was Austin was

sleeping in a cradle in our room and I

had such a sense like wake up and I was

leaned over his cradle and I realized he

was asleep but yet I was widely awake

and I had such a sense God was like go

pray so I’m walking in circles we have

no furniture so it’s Moonlight coming

through the windows walking in circles

I’m praying everything I know to pray

I’m coming against witchcraft I’m

calling her out by name and all of a

sudden I and I probably was praying for

I don’t know 10 15 minutes just walking

in circles praying in the spirit praying

scripture and all of a sudden I felt

like somebody had walked into the room I

thought I woke up John so I open up my

eyes and all of a sudden I see a 14

foot like hologram of a woman but this

is back before there were Holograms or

at least I didn’t know about them and

she looked like a cross between

Jezebel and a Cleopatra and she looked

like a cross between Cleopatra and

Amazon and and she was magnificent she

was strong she was fierce she was

beautiful

but she was angry and I realized in that

moment that I was wrestling with the

Jezebel spirit that this was not just

witchcraft this was something that hated

repentance hated Holiness had its own

prophets that were fed from its table

and I just was like it was just and it

was like the revealing it was like an a

pulling back of a curtain where I saw an

entity didn’t engaged me didn’t chase me

around the room I prayed went to bed got

up the next morning woke up and thought

why was that in my house what was I

doing in my house and I heard renounce

any sympathy you have towards this

spirit and I said father I renounce any

sympathy I have towards a Jezebel spirit

and

then I thought have I done something

have I done something

wrong and the truth is Christian I get

upset when people attack my boys my

husband my

daughter-in-laws nobody’s gone after my

grandkids but that would also be

upsetting my

friends and I had written a letter about

what this woman had said to me I had

decided I was going to expose the toxic

culture in this church to the senior

leader

and I remember Jezebel wrote a letter

and but I was like I’m not Ste killing

you but’s Vineyard and he was like

you’re controlling an outcome he said

I’m doing a deep work in your husband

and you are getting in the way tear up

the letter and John came home and I told

him what happened and we prayed see

we’re in a spiritual battle and what

we’re wrestling with is bigger than we

can do in our human strength yeah and so

we need to Humble ourselves

submit to God resist the devil and then

he will flee so the first posture again

of any spiritual warfare we know is

humility humility and so I I do feel

like there’s always that counteraction

there’s the the loud woman and then

there’s wisdom there’s the adulteress

and then there is the woman of virtue

and so we always have to make choices as

women which one are we going to embrace

the counsel of and we need to discern

which one is speaking at any given

moment so you know when you when you

hear Jezebel we think about oh ahab’s

wife and makeup and you know being

tossed out the window by Unix but it’s

not an individual and the truth is it’s

not even attached to a gender it is

Jezebel actually means it’s the spirit

represents the inability to cooperate or

work together it it is it is after its

own motivation it is after its own

agenda and we actually see a type of it

when we look at the the horror of babyon

we see this idea of I’m I will be a

queen and then God’s like well actually

this is what’s going to happen and so

there’s again that imagery of a woman

who is conniving who is crafting ver and

cruel I mean Jezebel falsely

accuses a in inocent man hires people to

to denounce him publicly to get what she

wants and I feel like we can look at our

culture right now and we can see that

craftiness and cunning and under

underhanded and

undermining and Rebellion is more

rewarded than wisdom I mean we look at

the proverbs 31 she opens her mouth with

wisdom and kindness and we don’t see

that often we see a lot of anger and we

see a lot of

scheming now this is probably going to

be tough to hear and it’s tough to say

as moms but sometimes what you’re saying

is we want to control the narrative we

want to completely protect our kids from

ever experiencing anything which is you

know a good desire wouldn’t that be

wonderful oh my goodness I know we can

just go to Never Never Land what do you

call it with your boys tell my boys I

used to say let’s go to mommy baby world

where the boys the babies Never Grow Up

and the mommies never grow old if you

know the map let me know cuz I will go

there right now yes I I couldn’t find it

but in that heart posture we can get to

that place of wanting to control so much

so you actually wrote about this and to

me it was like sorry no in a good way in

a good way um we can’t just protect our

kids from everything but we can prepare

them we can show them that awareness we

can model it what’s the importance and

how do we cultivate an atmosphere in our

home where our children are prepared

they’re aware and they’re inspired

to continue in the way I mean you have

four grown men now but four boys that

continued in the way of Faith to me that

means that there must been an atmosphere

that they were allowed to grow into and

were inspired to continue in yeah how do

you do it yeah I mean it wasn’t gentle

parenting I know that I I know that I’m

always like ah I mean and I do think

there’s so much pressure on parents

right now to do everything yeah perfect

and there’s all of these different

thought patterns of this is what

parenting looks like now this is what

parenting looks like now and yet we act

like our wisdom is better than God’s

wisdom and having Clarity and telling

your children that you’re there not to

be their friend but to be their inst

instructor that there is Commandments

that come from the father that there is

instruction that is dissimilated from

the mother that you hope that one day

you guys will be friends but right now

your job is to train them to love God to

love people to honor God and and to

honor each other and so you know for us

it was it was a journey of consistency

it was a journey of can you know is if

if I say this will I follow through with

this and you know I even remember my

boys you my boys I’m sure they would

laugh about this I remember ardan saying

something to me at one point uh because

you know your husband ardan is is the

biggest of all of the boys and he asked

me one time way before I met you he said

were you ever big and I said what what

does that even mean he said I always

just thought you were big and you know

people make fun of me because even when

I speak I will do things like this and I

think it was having four boys I’m like I

am bigger than you even if I’m not I am

going to give this like impression like

when a bear attacks I’m like bigger um

but I would told my boys I said I will

be led by the

spirit I will follow God’s Direction and

I told them if you do something wrong I

will catch you and they’re like Mom you

don’t really know what you’re talking

about I’m like I did everything wrong

there is nothing you can do that I will

not catch you doing and one of the

things and this is so simple so simple

one of the things I made the boys do no

matter what time they came home if I was

in bed they had to come in and kiss me

and the reason I had them come in and

Kiss Me was so I could smell them and if

they smelled like alcohol or if they

smelled like smoke or if they were

chewing gum when they came in I would

say we’re going to have to have a talk

tomorrow and I just think too many

people don’t even do the Practical

things and so you know I just practical

things with your kids smell them smell

them when they come in make sure your

kids come understand that you’re going

to be watching then you’re going to know

when they’re going to come in if you’re

not comfortable with one of their

friends you have the right as a parent

to say I’m not I’m not comfortable with

you going to their house I’m not

comfortable that person can come to our

house but that that means we’re going to

have more people around and you’re going

to stay we’re going to do something as a

family during that time mothers that

ignore their intuition they do it at

their own Peril intuition means inward

tutor it means God is speaking to you so

that you can protect your kids I can’t

even tell you how many times I would

just go out into the backyard I would

stop everything I was doing and I would

run into the backyard and it’d be like a

child falling out of a tree I’m not even

joking and I would be there just in time

to catch

them so the things that happen in the

physical happen in the spirit as well

yeah so as mothers we cannot be silent

we cannot be shy I think that’s what a

lot of people are afraid of right now I

mean when we have the the pronoun

conversations and there’s so much where

we just don’t want to say it wrong but I

I hear the wrongest thing would be to

not do anything to not have the

conversations yeah you guys were a

Ministry family from when the boys were

young we talked about everything with

our boys they saw the positive but did

you bring them into like when you saw

the Jezebel Amazonian Cleopatra woman is

that something that you talk through

with them so they green no because be

because this the for might be been

written on it um no I did not because

they were Addison was three

maybe two and a half how did you

introduce them into the spiritual end so

they weren’t fearful but they were

prepared yeah so we would take our kids

with us everywhere I mean we took our

four kids to Indonesia I’m looking back

I’m like what we thinking we would

debrief with them and we would say you

know John would talk to them about hey

during the altar call uh did you see

that did you hear that what were you

sensing we would we would try to devel

we brought them into prayers with us we

brought them into Services my kids were

not stuck into random uh church that I

didn’t know the people in the I don’t

I’m not just going to throw my kids into

Nursery where this is my first time at a

church in a state that I am not from

country I sat oh yeah Indonesia

definitely I sat I sat with my kids

during the services and we talked about

things afterwards they asked us

questions during after Sunday morning

service our boys we would debrief like

what spoke to you today what didn’t what

was confusing what didn’t speak to you

do you have any questions and they would

always engage in conversations we didn’t

criticize the pastor’s presentation we

asked them what did you understand what

did you not understand and and they

always were very

insightful so actually to be honest with

you it says in scriptures who who

through constant use have their senses

exercised to discern good from Evil you

want to actually tell your children what

they’re sensing isn’t wrong you need to

have them have conversations about it

and to every single mom out there what

you’re sensing what you’re sensing isn’t

wrong just make sure you have the right

response to it it’s not a fear response

it’s a constructive response I love in

Chapter 13 when you talk about the fight

for female Heroes you say this world

needs women who are strong

en able in faith rather than women who

are weak and steeped in their fears and

I know speaking personally but I’m sure

I can attest to someone else watching I

don’t want to be a mom who is too scared

or as we were saying earlier too

distracted to know how to fight for my

children fight for my husband fight for

my home I also am aware of in this time

of doing so much or maybe the mom that

doesn’t have help or is exhausted and

thinks I want to go to war for my

children but I have like 5 minutes

before they wake up how would you

Empower her to really Advocate and

protect her children even in the busy

Seasons or the hard times yeah I feel

like God works with your

rhythms I mean if I mean my children I

don’t even know if they would be any

kind of Christians if they had to depend

on me in the morning I mean I mean John

is the morning person yeah God

understands what mothers need to do like

like I when I first you know like you’re

you’re getting ready to have your second

baby I remember you know getting up at

2:00 a.m. getting up at 6:00 a.m. and

just maybe falling back asleep while I

was breastfeeding my second baby and the

first baby wakes up and you just feel

like you’re your whole day you’re behind

and then you’re not reading your Bible

in the morning and you’re breastfeeding

and you’re changing diaper and then your

your husband comes in from prayer at

7:30 and I used to think God is gone God

God’s gone from Orlando he’s left he

left at 8 he’s like Lisa it’s 8: a.m.

sorry you know gotta go to Central you

hopefully you can make this happen

tomorrow but he worked with my rhythms

and he worked with what I was going

through with my life as a mother he

worked through me praying with my kids

at night he worked with me having an

atmosphere of to be honest with you pray

prayer and worship throughout the day

and when I might be doing something in

the kitchen or doing laundry and I felt

the presence of God on a song WR or I

sense the Holy Spirit calling me to pray

I dropped the laundry basket and I hit

my knees and I would just say that

whatever that prayer was in that moment

and I modeled something different than

what John modeled it doesn’t make his

wrong him getting up very disciplined

you know doing I’m going to do this for

an hour do that for an hour but I

modeled this ability to be a little bit

more free flow when you have children

you got to drive them to school you got

to pick them up you’ve got to do all

these different things that you can’t be

like well I was in the spirit and I I

forgot you know so God can work through

that there’s so many times I’d be in the

car with

ardan and we’d be listening to worship

music and we’d both be singing and the

presence of God would fill the car and

then I’d stop and I’d look at him and I

said did you sense the presence of God

and he would say yes yeah just seizing

those moments and not missing them yeah

is so crucial but I I did I had worship

music going I mean soon as I got up

until I went to bed basically I feel

like the mistake is when we think that

ministering as mothers is the same as

ministering to a congregation It’s So

Different yeah and you have to be ready

I mean we try to do when there’s not

Pooh Bear playing we’ll do worship music

he does like honey honey honey he does

but we sing Jesus loves me every night

and I love hearing like the Jesus love

like the not even being able to say the

words but knowing he’s saying that and

he has an awareness and it’s yeah we did

the whole Michael Card sleep sound in

Jesus you know we would sing at least

three but I did create a lot of

elaborate putting my kids to bed where

we prayed we read we sang you know it

was it was it was an enormous amount of

time Joe would be like you still putting

the kids to bed I mean it kind of came

back to bite me but I I look back and

I’m glad because those were the moments

that really anchored my children in the

presence of God and I remember Addison

being a baby and just lifting up his

hands and saying I worship F you God I

worship F you he come blind and glorify

and worship and it was just I was like

Jesus you were looking at this child who

is worshiping I remember Addison saying

to me why did Jesus have to die why

could an angel not have died for my sins

I mean he was probably three I was

pregnant with Austin so he wasn’t even

three yet so

conversations that are sacred can happen

when you’re laying on the floor amidst

Legos cuz that’s when that one happened

yes at dinner time we would have

conversations at bed time when my boys

are coming down from their day where

they processed any pain they went

through any shame they went through any

confusion they went through they didn’t

want to necessarily do it when they

walked in the door from school they

wanted it to be over but when they were

going to bed they were ready to unburden

their soul and I it wasn’t every night

but I tried to make myself available

every night not every night that they

unburden the themselves but spending

time with them yeah giving opportunity

for them to say hey

Mom this this happened today and it

really it really hurt and you know

that’s a treasure when they share those

kind of things with you I remember ardan

was one of the my most precious moments

with ardan ardan would go over to this

um boy’s house that where he you know

had a friendship with this boy but the

sister the sister was cruel unusually

cruel to ardan and he said Mom she said

she said I hate you ardan I hate you and

he said mom please don’t let her come

over and I was like h absolutely and I

thought why why do girls go right for

the dagger to the

heart and and I thought

well if we can

be Discerning in the wrong way to know

what would hurt somebody then can we

flip that and begin to bring words of

healing that’s good and strength so good

well there is a whole

chapter and five for female on the

spiritual which is why we’ve tackled it

in so many different angles over the

last few episodes but because our

reality I know that’s true because this

conversation is not going anywhere you

have some questions that people can ask

themselves uh at the end of that chapter

do you want to just share maybe like one

or two of those you Shar them you got

them in front of you well you wrote it

doesn’t mean I’ve memorized

them so I just want to ask you guys if

you’re thinking okay maybe I should get

this book or maybe there’s something in

my life I want to combat or conflict

here’s two questions just to think on is

there a situation you’re trying to

control that needs to be

surrendered is there a person you’re

trying to control but should turn over

to God I know what Lisa’s answer was for

for example in this story but yeah and

it’s not a one-time thing um you know

Christian once you’ve actually dealt

with what you’re wrestling with

personally mhm you can take it further

you have the right as a daughter of the

most high whether you’re married or

whether you’re single to arrest the

atmosphere of your home for the presence

of God you know Christian as I travel

and Minister I walk into the hotel room

and I say From This Moment forward every

unclean thing every perverse thing every

dark thing every shadowed thing it goes

from this room this room is now

separated for the presence of God mhm in

my my home that’s what we did my

children make so much fun of me because

I would I would not just play worship

music I would not just sing worship

music I would dance to worship music and

when I sensed an atmosphere of

Oppression I would say okay how do I

worship God with all of my might and all

of my soul and all of my strength that’s

that’s dancing and my children will be

like oh my gosh she’s out she’s at it

again she’s out it and sometimes I do it

in my bedroom alone but sometimes it

would just spill out and it would be in

the great room and my children would be

up in the Loft looking down and Lisa’s

got the tambourine again here there we

go she’s just doing it um but I could

sense the entire atmosphere shift for

the presence of God and then Christian

just as you can arrest the atmosphere

for the presence of God you can have

people come to your house yeah and bring

things they shouldn’t bring mhm and I

remember in particular

my mother was in a very dark season of

her life and my husband was gone on a

trip and he came home and he said was

your mother here I said well wait why

would you why would you ask that he said

because whenever she’s here I sense

criticism I sense heaviness I sense

hopelessness and he said

Lisa you need to guard the atmosphere of

our house when your mother comes he said

if not

you know you you need to meet her at a

restaurant I was like what and he said

no Lisa I’m serious yeah we cannot so

women have the ability yes even if their

husband’s Gone to walk in the spirit and

have authority I I remember when John

would travel it would feel like

everything would break down the air

conditioning would blow up kids would

bust open their chin you know it would

just seem like everything somebody would

knock a tooth out or they’d swallow up a

penny or something and I would be like

you’re not praying enough you are not

praying enough you are not dealing like

you go out I I mean I would just say if

you prayed for the ministry the way you

pray for your family you wouldn’t even

have a Ministry you leave and it’s like

you’re exiting the neighborhood and

everything falls apart and John said to

me am I obeying God and I like I am so

tired of this question and I said yes

you’re obeying God he said well then

there’s provision in obedience and he

said if you everything everything falls

apart when I leave it’s because you Lisa

are not staying in your Authority in the

spirit so obedience protects obedience

provides and delegated authority is

still Authority and so I just you know I

I hear a lot of women say oh but my

husband’s not a Christian I I don’t care

I don’t care you have Rank and privilege

as a daughter of the most high to arrest

that atmosphere in your home yeah

because even the other side of what

you’re saying if people can bring

negative in they can come and yearning

for something that your home can be this

invitation to and I love interior design

you know that you do as well and I love

cre I love it but I’m not good at it I

don’t I don’t know if that’s true but I

love making my home beautiful but even

more than that I want it to be a safe

place and I want it to be warm so when

someone comes in and they’re like oh

it’s so pretty I’m like thank you but

when they come and they say I feel peace

in your home like we’ve had friends that

stayed at our homes when we’re traveling

or something and they’re like I just

found rest I found peace that’s the

biggest compliment to me because I mean

we can we can make our homes a spirit

and I think that’s part of why there’s

that Temptation right now to be like oh

you’re just a stay-at-home mom or like

you have to go out and do this but why

is the home a place of lack it can be a

place of blessing yeah a lack and less

and and yeah no absolutely I agree with

you 100% And you do that so well

Christian oh thank you well I hope

you’ve gotten some insight and

permission and taken a deep breath that

discernment is something that God wants

to give you and we don’t want you to

doubt we don’t want you to doubt when

you have that that feeling so I hope

you’ve enjoyed this episode of the fight

for female that Christian and I have

discussed discernment If We Ever Needed

Discerning men and women that is right

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