Is Ab*rtion Ever Justifiable?!

Get the first 2 chapters FREE here: https://3szn.short.gy/38m0vo Grab Your Copy of The Fight for Female: https://amzn.to/3WRRd5L _______________ Join the waitlist for Lisa’s upcoming book The Fight for Female: https://lisabevere.com/fight-for-fema… __________________ It’s time we have a united voice when it comes to pre-born children. As Christians we are responsible to stand up for LIFE without compromise or being combative. Join Christian and Lisa Bevere on this episode of The Fight for Female podcast as they discuss why it’s crucial to continue speaking up for the pre-born. If you or a loved one are looking for pregnancy resources, see the links below! https://embracegrace.com/ https://www.liveaction.org/ https://savethestorks.com/ 00:00 Stand for Life 00:52 Pro-life Activists Sentenced 05:01 Warped Idea of What Is Justified 07:20 Is the Justice System… Just? 09:06 Men Should Have a Say Too 09:59 A Pre-born Child Is Alive 12:44 Getting the Right Kind of Support 18:10 There Options That Bring Wholeness 21:52 Organizations Like Embrace Grace and Live Action Can Help 23:41 There Is Mercy, Grace and Help 24:18 A Challenge to Evangelical Christians Musicbed ID: MB01ONL0N2ATYRH

roie Wade was overturned it didn’t make

abortion illegal it put it back into the

hands of the state government and some

of those States like Vermont Vermont has

no limitation on the age the pre-born

child can be aborted the excuses and the

levels

of justification for the

unjustifiable if you stand for life it

is considered hateful if you stand for

truth it is consider considered hateful

we are now persecuting what is good and

what is innocent and excusing what is

evil and what is bad the life of a

pre-born child deserves to be protected

and I am going to challenge all of my

sisters to start using your

voice well welcome to the fight for

female podcast today I am joined with my

daughter-in-law Christian who is

pregnant how how far long are you now

currently at the taping of this 5 months

what’s really uh punctuating this moment

for me is

yesterday we just had the incredible

privilege of welcoming our eighth

grandchild Mr Arthur was born much

wanted much anticipated uh birth while

while we were taping yesterday just was

laboring we’re like are you having the

baby and this beautiful baby boy 9 Pound

pound 3

oome weeks he was baking I know he was

like I am going to just chub up inside

of here but you know what Christian at

the same time we came out of the taping

John and I are so filled with joy about

this baby and I read something do you

want to share what we just saw happen in

I don’t even want to say the judicial

court because it makes it sound like it

has some kind of Justice involved but

what happened there was some prif

Advocates who were sentenced yesterday

and I really feel like it’s important

that people know about this yeah yeah

it’s unfortunate we have to read it but

I think it is like you said important

that we do so it says 30-year-old

pro-life activist Lauren handy has just

been sentenced to 57 months days 57

months is almost how long almost 5 years

almost five years okay crazy in federal

prison for handing roses and resources

to women at an abortion facility me

meanwhile abortionists who dismember and

kill children walk free Okay so let’s

talk about that yeah so we have a young

girl who is going to enter prison at 30

years of age she’s going to come out at

35 for handing out roses and resources

that I’m sure would have given people uh

the option of making other choices than

abortion and yet you can rape a child

mhm class C felony the maximum you can

get fine for that is $10,000 and you’re

looking at three to maybe 10 years and a

lot of times they have the charges

dismissed I mean we just saw there’s

sexual assault cases where people serve

less than a year in prison and now we

have somebody passing out roses does not

do damage to anybody passes out roses

and they also had a 69-year-old man if

you go back there was a 69-year old man

and how long was he sentenced for I

believe it’s in the same

group and we’re we’re drawing on

information from live action we love and

support lla Rose and live action we love

what they do 69-year-old pro-life

activist John Henshaw who held a career

serving the homeless addicted serving

the homeless the addicted and disabled

was just sentenced to 21 months so

that’s almost two years in federal

prison for his peaceful work saving

lives from DC late term abortionist that

person was free yes and I don’t know if

you know that I believe it was five

little bodies were found in the dumpster

dismembered and unnamed and they were

lat term abortions they were illegally

done late term abortions hidden away and

these were people that protested that

and right now I personally find myself

questioning the the Integrity of the

judges in the United States of America

yeah that they could actually sentence a

young woman to almost 5 years in prison

and a 69-year-old man to almost two

years in prison for peaceful protests in

light of the fact that these are not

hardened criminals these are not repeat

offenders these are not people that have

stolen things killed people you know

been doing sexual assault and yet this

is where we’ve come from where we are

persecuting what is good and what is

innocent and excusing what is evil and

what is bad and you and I just saw a

video not long ago uh this is this is

very upsetting of a trans woman which in

case you’re con concerned or confused

that means a man MH uh looks like a very

strong black man in a blonde wig who ran

over a what was he how old was this man

I believe he was in the 60s a man in the

60s ran him over backed over him again

jumped out of the car believe assaulted

him possibly sexually assaulted him and

stabbed him nine times and while this is

going

on there are people watching nobody

interferes nobody does any nobody calls

the police at the very beginning of it

as far as we know shout stop yeah nobody

the guy actually is interacting with the

witnesses as he tries to get into

another car where he can’t escape uh and

he just decides okay I’m just going to

leap over this body that I just stab

nine times and yeah that’s it and you

know these kind of things are being put

on social media uh they might out just a

little bit of the

violence but as you know when we did the

trailer for The Fight for female podcast

I don’t know if any of you have gone to

YouTube but if you go to YouTube

Shameless plug do it right now yes do it

right now if you go to YouTube you can

see that just the trailer that features

things that

everybody else puts on their social

media just the trailer is put as

sensitivity you might not want to watch

this because why because it is

considered hateful if you stand for life

it is considered hateful if you stand

for truth it is considered hateful if

you don’t allow people to make excuses

because you know somewhere along that

line that person’s going to get caught

and there’s going to be like oh well you

know what it it’s just hard on them

because he’s a he’s a transom and people

don’t really believe that person is a I

don’t I don’t even know what’s going on

right now right but the excuses and the

levels

of justification for the

unjustifiable is such a it’s just so

extreme right now the crazy thing is

Christian uh Most states have you know

they’ve taken back their power to make

the ruling when roie Wade was over

returned it didn’t make abortion illegal

it put it back into the hands of the

state government and some of those

States like Vermont Vermont has no

limitation on the age of the child or

the pre-born child can be aborted and

there’s talk in some states where the

parents can decide after the child is

born whether they want to keep the child

or not and I do believe there was talk

around that in California mhm and so

here’s where we are we’ve gone from you

know heartbeat to well first and second

trimester to partial birth abortions to

all the way to birth abortions and it

was interesting I watched an interview

between a Sage Steel and Robert Kennedy

uh that was you know running for

president and she asked him you know at

what point should women not be allowed

to abort their babies he was like it’s

always the women’s Choice all the way

all the way up and now they’re trying to

backpedal his his vice presidential

candidate is trying to backpedal on that

but she pushed it a number of times he

was like I believe it’s always a woman’s

Choice it’s always a woman’s Choice well

I think that’s the thing there so we

have we go going back to what you were

saying earlier our justice system isn’t

fully just for all parties and if you

take back the scale of well I’m on this

side and I’m on this side we should be

on the side of justice and that can’t be

divided and cut how we want to per

circumstance it should be what is the

rule ruling and are we going to stick to

that for all people for the betterment

of our people and if we’re saying I just

think men especially are scared to feel

like they’re a bigot or they um toxic

masculinity so it’s like well I don’t

have a say it’s just the woman’s choice

no you have a say you’re the father of

that child yes and if the men are not

speaking up like I love in birth they

even say that um the husband should be

the advocate for the wife because she’s

doing something so intense he needs to

be in agreement with her but verbally

speaking no she wants this no she can do

it and if we’re talking about for your

child no you need to be a voice I think

men are getting hands off approach of

well you can do whatever you can do no I

think the men are getting very mixed

signals right now it’s a protect us when

we want you to protect us but stay out

of our life when we don’t want you in

our life and so men don’t know when to

step in and say Hey I want I want to be

a father please please don’t kill that

child and now they’re calling it forced

birthing like women the white patriarchy

is forced birthing women like so somehow

it’s always the woman that’s the victim

it’s never that a child right the life

of a pre-born child is being completely

snuffed out that that child who is the

most vulnerable who deserves to be

protected it they we talk about it as

though it’s an embryo as though it’s a

fetus acting like it is not a

pre-born life pre-born child it will

never be anything but a child and you

know having gone through a birthing

process having carried a child you know

as a mother you have such an intimate

awareness that it is alive it’s not

alive when it draws its first breath it

is alive it’s not just moving around in

your body because it’s not alive it is

alive I still can remember I when I was

pregnant withis my was born I was I was

drinking some hot herbal tea and you

kind of get used to this being a table

when you’re pregnant and I sat the glass

kind of just down on my on my stomach

like here’s my table and he kicked it

like what in the world there was a

temperature change right here like get

get so then I got a piece of ice and I

started chasing him around and I was

like this baby is real this baby is

feeling this hot this cold is

interacting and I can still remember

that moment when I had Addison it was a

very complicated labor and delivery and

I’d had to get an epidural and I

couldn’t move they gave Addison to John

and John’s like bouncing Addison like

he’s crying he’s crying like he doesn’t

like me what’s going on and I said oh

baby and he heard my voice and Addison

turned and looked at me and as soon as

he heard my voice he stopped crying and

there is this beautiful link into timate

link unbreakable link between a mother

and a child and it is so God woven it is

so beautiful science is now proving that

women when they carry their children

they actually carry that child’s DNA in

their body for the rest of their life

that’s why moms will be like no don’t

don’t beat me don’t spank don’t yell cuz

they feel that child yeah and it’s it’s

God woven for protection and yet now we

have a culture that is asking women to

deny themselves deny their god-given God

woven intimate longing to protect their

child and to cast their child away yeah

and I think there’s something to know

about there is especially with how birth

and pregnancy motherhood has talked

about today there is so many women that

approach becoming pregnant or even the

idea with so much fear but I have heard

from so many people people it’s like

when I had that baby and when I held it

I realized I’m stronger than I realize

one because God is my strength he equips

us like innately but also in that moment

but then when you set eyes and you’re

like oh my gosh I I have felt you I have

known you I didn’t I couldn’t put into

words or Vision how connected we were

until this moment but we always have

been and so I think when we Embrace

abortion and just say Well they’re

scared and they don’t know and they

haven’t seen it like it’s not alive yet

there’s a moment when it comes to a a

tea and you’re just like oh all my fears

are subdued nothing else matters because

this is worth it but we’re cutting that

off prematurely by just saying they’re

scared do it just just leave it you can

try again later yeah and I do I do feel

like there has in the past I wouldn’t

say it’s so much the case now there has

in the past been uh largely more

supportive at Planned Parenthood that

maybe at your local church where women

felt like but if I come to church and

they find out I’m pregnant and I’ll be

covered in shame and nobody everybody

will look down on me I do feel like

there was some of that in the past but I

don’t believe that that is still the

story um I

remember this young girl told me that

she had found herself pregnant and she

went to plan Parenthood and they sat

down with her and they said you know one

day you’re going to be an amazing mother

but it’s not now it’s not now you’re not

married it’s not now and she said it was

so peaceful it seemed so helpful you can

just sweep this clump of cells away it

it doesn’t need to happen now and then

the day is going to come but you know

what Christian she found herself

pregnant again in just a very short

amount of time and she went again and

had another abortion and then she found

herself pregnant again and I’m trying to

remember whether she connected with me

after her second or her third

pregnancy but um basically she she was

super brilliant brilliant young woman

super self sabotaging and I I she was

emailing me and I said has it ever have

you ever thought that maybe maybe you’re

punishing yourself and maybe you’re

trying to replace that child that you

that you lost and and then you go

through through this cycle of of loss

again and again and I remember she

became pregnant with her third baby and

she said I tell you what if you’ll take

my child I’ll I will carry it fullterm

and give birth to it and she

miscarried and the doctor told her that

her uterus was so scarred from all of

the abortions that she had that he did

not think she’d ever be able to carry a

child full term and see they never tell

these young girls that that a risk yeah

yeah yeah that they just said one day

you’ll be an amazing mother they never

said maybe one day you’ll never be a

mother MH and I can’t remember if it’s

the third or fourth abortion um I mean

her fourth pregnancy that she found that

and she was um I mean I think she was

ivy league educated but living in a life

of self- sabotage uh where she was

constantly um pushing away the very

things that she longed to draw near she

said she saw me on TV and she was

listening to me talk and she said that

she was mocking me she was like mocking

mocking mocking and she said and then I

began to listen to you and she said I

found myself curled up on my bed and I

said I wish she was my mother and

there’s a whole generation of young

girls out there that you know I I my

heart breaks that no mother sat down

with them and said I will support a

courageous decision to have a child I I

we I had a a beautiful young girl John’s

uh when John and I were youth pastors

when John was the youth pastor and I was

the the the work for free wife um our

our associate youth pastor his wife um

she told me the story of her sister got

pregnant and the parents said to her we

will just um reconfigure room we will

you can have this baby and you know

we’ll we’ll do whatever you need to take

care of this baby to take care of you

and we’ll support you on how on every

level that you need to supported they

they did everything for her and because

she was surrounded by love and support

instead of Shame and rejection and fear

it was just a matter of time before she

met a man who not only loved her but

loved the baby that she’d given birth to

and she got married and I feel like that

is the kind of mindset we need to have

because to be a mother is to be a

warrior whether you are a single mother

or whether you are a mother with a

husband who loves and supports you to be

a mother is to be a warrior yeah and I

think there has to be something said for

we can disagree is not the best word but

we can say oh I probably should have

come to this point to being pregnant a

different way but I’m not reversing that

having an abortion doesn’t take that

away it only furthers the pain that

could have happened no matter what that

story is and to me that’s one of the

isolated cases where we think oh well

that probably shouldn’t happen but we’re

going to continue to shame you forever

and ever there’s other things where we

see so much more Triumph more reibly and

I would challenge us like you’re saying

as a group of Believers to say you know

even what we were talking about in other

episodes of there is restoration there

is redemption and especially that child

knows nothing other than how you you

treat them and you love them and I

believe that they can even sense that in

the womb so it’s like okay from today

I’m going to choose to love you I’m

going to choose to make the best out of

our situation I think one of the biggest

proponent that does lead people like

you’re saying the planned parented

conversation is well you don’t have the

resources right now that baby needs X Y

and Z to be able to thrive but what I

remember from my own childhood is the

love I received the care the eye to eye

contact not how much money we had in the

bank not how many toys I had they’re

actually saying less toys is better for

your children developmentally now now

but I think when we realize that there

are options there is information there

is um you know communities that help

like even what we’re saying of the

beginning of this episode the woman that

handed out roses and resources sometimes

people do need to know that they do have

options because when you get into

something from a fear base you’re only

seeing through one lens and what’s Wild

is with roie Wade being overturn that

didn’t stop abortions it like you said

it didn’t make them illegal we know just

at Planned Parenthood there’s at least

over 350,000 abortions performed per

year but yet people families waiting for

adopting a child it takes them 2 to

seven years doesn’t we see the

disconnect there of we call them

unwanted pregnancies but there are

families wanting children people like

you’re saying having miscarriages

suffering from endometriosis and

infertility not even knowing like I wish

we could get people in the room that

have been suffering we know so many

sweet people that have suffered from

infertility and misar marriages I think

if we could bridge the gap and say you

don’t even know the privilege it is to

carry a child I don’t get to know that I

would love to take care of that child

like the one lady said we if you’ll take

care of it I will carry it full-term

there’s a bridge there that can be so

connected we don’t have to turn to you

know people that just say you can’t do

this but maybe one day you can and have

these false promises of fear we can

connect there are other ways I know I

would not be here today if if it wasn’t

for the blessing of adoption I have

family members that have come into our

family through adoption so it is such a

beautiful way you know when we do things

in community we can actually solve each

other’s needs and find a tethering where

there’s only tearing apart usually I

love that so I know you have some people

that you’ve partnered with and going

back to what you said if somebody

doesn’t know they have a choice why is

it wrong to tell them they have a choice

and so you know if I was a frightened

young girl and and I was wrestling with

the idea that I didn’t want to have an

abortion but felt like I had no choice

but to have an abortion or if I was a

frightened young girl in a state where

it was illegal to have an abortion and I

knew I had to have the child but I

didn’t feel like I had the resources to

care for the child I would want to know

that I could be supported and we’ve

mentioned before that perhaps in the

past the church may not have known how

to support women who found themselves

with an unplanned pregnancy but I know

of two amazing organizations that do

everything they can to come alongside

the mothers and help them make

courageous choices number one there is

an incredible organization called

Embrace Grace I love Embrace Grace and

they come along Church organizations and

actually teach them how to do this for

the young mothers so this is something

that’s all over the United States they

have Affiliates I love it and it was a

you know how it was birth a beautiful

young girl found herself with an

unwanted pregnancy and she was heading

in to have an abortion and she just

thought there’s got to be a better way

and she made the courageous Choice had

her son and thought I need to make sure

and she actually had gotten pregnant by

the guy that she ended up marrying later

and she said I’ve got to find a way for

other mothers to not make the poor

choice that I almost made so Embrace

Grace and then live action live action

if you go to their website live action

has so many ways to connect you with the

help that you need and also to give you

a little bit more information what is

involved the risk of abortion the

procedure in and of itself you need to

have the information so that you can

feel confident to make a decision you

know I watch so many of the liveaction

reels where they show people they’re

like you know what what would you

consider yourself pro life or pro choice

almost always say oh I’m pro-choice I’m

pro-choice that’s all on the women or

I’m pro-choice and then they show them

the procedures and the people are

horrified and they were like I had no

idea you know here’s the thing maybe

you’re sitting out there and maybe

you’re listening to chrisan and I and

you’ve had an abortion I just want you

to know there is Mercy there is Grace or

maybe you’re listening to us and you

find yourself pregnant right now and

wondering can I tell my parents can I

tell my friends do I have what I need

I’m going to tell you right now God will

come alongside he will give you what you

need but you need to be courageous and

ask for help there are people out there

waiting and watching to help you so

don’t be afraid to ask for the help that

you need and then I want to also say to

my Christian brothers and

sisters I find it so sad that the

evangelicals are so

inconsistent when it comes to their

voice of being pro-life my Catholic

brothers and sisters they are consistent

about prif but so much of the church is

so afraid of being labeled as hateful

that they will not stand up and use

their voice for life and even speak out

to some of the lies and know so many

people Christian will actually say that

miscarriage

are abortions they are not abortions

miscarriages are not illegal anywhere to

save a mother’s life miscarriages that

is a treatment if if you have found

yourself pregnant and you need a DNC

that is not an abortion do not listen to

the lies do not listen to the people

that just are pushing their agenda so

get informed support organizations live

like liveaction educate yourself and I

am going to challenge all of my sisters

to start using your voice for life this

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