Do you know the truth about Donald Trump? Watch Kenneth Copeland and Stephen Strang on Believer’s Voice of Victory as they discuss the faith of Donald Trump through the years, his inclusion of the faith community, and his prayer life behind closed doors. Learn how God is using Donald Trump, who was not a politician, just as he used Jehu and Cyrus to impact nations long ago.

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– [Kenneth] Welcome everybody
to Tuesday’s edition

of the “Believer’s Voice
of Victory” broadcast.

Father, we thank you.

First of all, we thank
you for Stephen Strang,

the insights and ideas and
concepts that you have given him

as a Christian journalist,

a man that can that
can investigate

with an open heart, an open mind

and deal with the
absolute facts and truths.

And we praise you for his life.

And we thank you
for this broadcast

and the help that the people
need all over the United States

and the people that are
watching this around the world

because, so, every
country on this planet

depends on how this country
makes it or doesn’t.

And we thank you and
praise you for it.

The best is yet to come.

I believe that in Jesus’ Name.

– [Congregation] Amen.

– Amen. Stephen Strang, welcome.

– [Stephen] Thank you.

– [Kenneth] I am so pleased.

This 50th anniversary,
50 years in ministry

just few years ago, the
project that you brought to me

and brought to this ministry

and the Kenneth Copeland
Word of Faith Study Bible

Charisma Media, Charisma
House, Book Group.

Thank you, sir.

(Kenneth laughs)

– [Stephen] Thank you.

– Steven This was a work
that I’d always dreamed of

because I always had
notes in this Bible here,

but this one,
there’s a commentary

and I just… I love it.

– [Stephen] I love it
too. I read it every day.

I read it yesterday.

– [Kenneth] So I’m just…
I’m indebted to you

for having the
God idea to do it.

And I know when Stephen
and his crew came down

to talk to us about doing it,

but there wasn’t any question
whether we gonna do it,

it’s when are we gonna do this?

It was not if, it was when.

Just the ideas set me on fire

and I wanted you to know
how much I appreciate it.

– [Stephen] Oh, thank you-

– And how much I enjoy it.

– People know me as a journalist
but I’m also a publisher,

and we publish the modern
English version of the Bible.

And one of the crowning
highlights of my entire life

was publishing that Bible.

– [Kenneth] Oh, thank you.

– [Stephen] I do
really believe that.

Why it is better to
publish in the Word of God

and to be able to
put it in a format,

a lot of publishing houses
would not have had the vision

to have done it that way.

Or they would have said

you got to do it
this way or that way.

We just it was whatever
Brother Copeland wanted to do.

And we just tried
to make it happen.

– [Kenneth] I’ll tell
you it just blessed us.

And just to feel that
it’s gonna, it’s…

(imitates sucking)

I love Bibles and
this thing feels good.

(Kenneth laughs)

Anyway. I love it.

Thank you, sir.
– Thank you.

– [Kenneth] We’re discussing
this 2020 election of course.

And…

Persecution has always come
primarily from bad government.

I mean you go, God’s
people have been persecuted

by bad government.

That’s the reason for
the United States.

I mean, it was bad government

that pushed people over here
to risk their very lives,

and a lot of them didn’t make it

to get out from under bad
government that hated God.

Now, that government
claimed, claimed to love God.

And here I have in my possession

and I’m reading from the King
James Version of the Bible.

But it was not the people.
It was the government.

– [Stephen] And that’s
still true today.

– It’s true today.

– [Stephen] Where
Christians are persecuted

and there’s many Christians
persecuted all over the world.

– And it’s-

– [Stephen] It’s with
totalitarian governments,

leftist government,
socialist governments.

And Donald Trump
has actually lobbied

on behalf of religious freedom

in different parts of the world.

– [Kenneth] I noticed that.

– [Stephen] He has, he
puts Senator Sam Brownback

as the ambassador for the
International Religious Freedom.

We’re the only country that
has an ambassador for that.

He made an historic speech at
the United Nations last fall.

It was so good.

I actually put it at the
back of the book as an index.

It is just a
wonderful articulation

of how important
religious freedom is,

not only in the United
States, but around the world.

Remember that missionary Andrew
Brunson, that was in Turkey.

And a lot of people
don’t know this

because they don’t play it up
in the news media of course.

But he’s a Spirit-filled
missionary. He’s one of us.

He, wasn’t just some,
I mean, it’s horrible

for any missionary
to be persecuted,

but you know that people were
just praying, praying, praying

to get him out,

and any other president,

any other state department,

would have let that
poor man rot in jail.

They would’ve done a
little bit of diplomatic,

whatever they do.

Donald Trump made it
an international issue.

He put tariffs and
things on Turkey

that made their
currency plummet,

their stock market plummet,

they were going like, “uncle”.

“Here, take your missionary”.

Lift these sanctions
that we put on them.

And-

– [Kenneth] Does that
remind you of a certain King

that had a certain woman
that was the wife of Abraham,

“get that woman out of here.”

(Kenneth and Stephen laughs)

– [Stephen] That’s
exactly what happened.

– That’s exactly what happened.

– [Stephen] In 24 hour period,

Andrew Brunson went
from being in a jail

to being at the White House,

met with President Trump,

and at the end, he
asked the president

while the TV cameras
were rolling,

if he could pray for him.

He got on his knees,
put his hand on him

and prayed that God would
fill him with the Holy Spirit.

(Kenneth and Stephen laughs)

That’s such a bold prayer.

And Donald Trump did not
do that to curry favor.

He already had the Christian
vote if you know what I mean.

But it was a principle.
He believes in it.

He really believed in it.

– [Kenneth] Stephen, the man
has said over and over and over,

if it’s the right
thing to do, do it.

Well, he’s a billionaire.

He’s not used to thinking,
“do we have the money?”

He’s used to thinking, “I
don’t care what it takes,

let’s get the man out of there.”

And if I have to, if I have to
put the twist on those people

just twist it on.

Well, they might attack you.

Won’t bring it on.

Then when you do
that, they don’t.

– They don’t.

– [Kenneth] No bully
ever takes the challenge.

– [Stephen] And Donald
Trump is strong.

He can stand up
to these bullies.

Almost nobody else does.

And he is attacked
every single day.

It’s amazing.

I believe that there’s
gotta be some kind of hedge

of protection around
him from the Lord.

– [Kenneth] Yeah,
you know, it is.

– [Stephen] I mean just every
single day, it’s something new

and you would know
better than I do

because you’ve been
with him more times.

I’ve only…

I interviewed him once

and talked to him on
the telephone once.

But you’ve met with him

and he just seems happy.

Like, he doesn’t have
a care in the world,

and yet you know that
all the pressures of life

are on top of him.

I try to go into
this in the book

because the media has created
a caricature of Donald Trump.

In fact, when I met him,

in the 2016 election
and interviewed him,

I rather expected him to be
kind of the brusque person

that we see on the TV.

– He’s not at all.

– Not at all.

He was polite, he
was respectful,

I had a certain length of time,

I had my questions ready.

In fact, you gave me
one of the questions.

Do you remember that?

– I do.
(Kenneth laughs)

– [Stephen] I was writing,

I said, I’m interviewing
Donald Trump,

and I asked several people.

I asked Governor Mike
Huckabee as well.

And I asked him your question,

but he was respectful.

He was soft spoken.

And I write about
this in the book,

“Trump and the 2020 Election”,

to tell what he’s really like.

And I interview people
like Paula White-Cain

and others who
know him very well.

Mike Evans says that he
walks around saying thank you

every other word in
just his conversation.

I’d write about how he
plays chess with Baron

when he has time
in the White House.

I mean, just things
that you don’t…

some glimpses into
what he’s really like.

Then he met with the ministers,
you and Gloria were there

where he had a state dinner.

Never in the history.

Has there been a state
dinner for Christian leaders.

And then he turns
over the pulpit,

which is very brave thing to do,

when you got a room full.

– [Kenneth] Everybody laughed.

He said, “now just
take your time,

and anybody that wants to gather

and everybody gonna riot,

“we’re not too much time.”

(Kenneth, Stephen and
congregation laughs)

– [Stephen] And then he also…

so I think that even that shows

a certain amount of humility,
a certain interest in learning

from other Christian leaders.

But when they asked him,

one of the people I asked him,

and you would remember
better than I do.

Although I document
this in the book.

How did he wanna be remembered?

He said he wants
to be remembered

as the president that prays more

than any any other president.

– [Kenneth] That’s what he said.

– [Stephen] Which you
would never, never expect

Donald Trump to say.

And whether or not
he prays more than…

the fact that he would
even think about it.

I think is pretty significant.

And it also is a little glimpse

that there’s a lot
of prayer going on

when the cameras aren’t around.

– That’s right.

– And-

– [Kenneth] When we walked into
that meeting in Trump Tower,

Gloria and I were sitting there

at the end of the table
there, he just walked by us,

well, I’d never met him,

He said, “Kenneth
and Gloria Copeland,

I watch you on
television all the time”,

and just kept going.

(audience laughing)

I said, “what?”

(Kenneth laughs)

– [Stephen] A lot of
people don’t know this,

but he has said similar
things to Jim Bakker,

who would have thought?

He watches David Jeremiah.

And I really think that it
was Christian television.

Him sitting late at night,
watching Paula White.

– [Kenneth] That’s
what got his attention.

– Got his attention.

– Watching her.

– [Stephen] And he called her up

and he said that she
had the “it factor”.

You know how somebody has it?

– [Kenneth] Well, yeah,
he’s a television guy.

– He knows that he’s very canny

on those kinds of
things and forward,

and started a relationship.

And I, I’ve known
Paula for years.

I knew her back in that era.

I remembered in conversation,

her telling how this celebrity

had called her ministry office.

I mean, I just remember it

because it was just kinda odd

little did I know that a
friendship would develop

and that she would help,
I guess, disciple him.

But it showed that there was
something going on in here.

He became more
serious about life,

he went from being pro
abortion to pro-life.

He started thinking about
what he wanted to do

whatever years he had on earth.

And he ended up being
president of the United States.

I guess when you earned that
much money as a billionaire

there’s only so many building,
more buildings you can build

and I really believe
that God raised him up.

I really do.

In fact, that’s why I
wrote my first book,

“God and Donald Trump”, because
we covered that election.

And there were prophecies that
he would win against all odds

and all this kind of stuff.

And it was a… and then he won.

The prophecies came true
and it was an untold story.

And in the past, as a publisher,

we’ll have an idea for a
book and we’ll hire a writer.

Well, in this case, because
I had interviewed him

and because I had
been all involved,

I wanted to write it myself.

And that was the first book to
try to tell the untold story

of how God used this
unlikely billionaire

and raised him up.

And you’ve heard
them this comparison.

He was raised up
like King Cyrus.

Cyrus was a pagan king

who God used to get the
Jews back to Jerusalem.

And God used Donald Trump,

this carnal billionaire

who sometimes tweets
things that make us cringe

but used him to get the embassy

from Tel Aviv back to Jerusalem.

Just kind of like Cyrus.

In fact, Jonathan Cahn,
the Messianic Rabbi

who wrote the “Harbinger”,

writes about all
these comparisons

in some of his books about how

the Jews were in Babylon
exactly 70 years,

And then Truman was like
Cyrus, recognizing Israel.

And then exactly 70 years later,

Trump moves the embassy and he
finds all this significance.

And I actually tapped
Jonathan Cahn in my book

because he’s got a
gift and insights

beyond anything I’ve ever seen.

But I tried to pull out
some of these things

to show the Christian reader

that it’s not…

we have to understand things,

and it’s not just saying

“well, I like this
Cable News Network

because it’s more conservative
than this one” or whatever.

To understand what God is doing.

And there are foreshadowing
in the Bible of things.

Cyrus being one of them.

But also Jonathan
Cahn chose that

when he was… Ahab and Jezebel
who are the most wicked king

and queen ever in Israel history

who caused them to sacrifice
their children to Baal.

Doesn’t that sound
like abortion?

A very powerful husband-wife.

Never in Israel history had
a queen been that strong.

Never in American history had
any first lady been as strong

as Hillary Clinton.

I mean, these
parallels are uncanny.

And then there is
an uncouth person

that nobody ever heard of

who came in called Jehu.

And Jehu, is the one
who got Israel back

to serving the one, true God.

And so Jonathan Cahn sees
that there is a similarity

to Jehu as well.

But isn’t that good to see
that we can see a foreshadowing

in the Bible but

but you know we do
that in other ways.

Didn’t people say that
Martin Luther King

was like Moses leading
his children to freedom?

And other things like that,

or maybe somebody
would follow God

and they would say,
well, he’s like Abraham

or God raise somebody up
like Joseph or like Esther.

We use it but never
before with the president.

I’ve never heard any of this
with any of our presidents.

And I think that it’s important
that we understand this.

Now, can we make it?

Can we start a new denomination
with a new theology?

I think not.

But it should make us go,

“Hmm, I wonder at
what God is at work.”

– [Kenneth] The other two
times that it happened,

one was Abraham Lincoln,
the other was Ronald Reagan.

And each one of these
men changed things.

– [Stephen] They absolutely.

– [Kenneth] Because
they didn’t know

anything about government.

Now, Abraham Lincoln
was a lawyer.

He was not a president.

Politics was not so
much the thing with him.

It was slavery that
was the thing with him.

It was the moral purpose
behind what he was doing.

Ronald Reagan is the same,
basically the same thing,

but never, never, in
his critical a time,

we’ll accept Lincoln of course.

But never at such a
critical time as this

and never to this degree,

because this man (chuckles)
thinks he’s a billionaire.

Ronald Reagan thought
he was president.

And Gloria said to me, she said,

“well, Ronald, Reagan’s
an excellent actor.”

And all he had to do was
act like a good president.

And he was, well, come on.

– [Stephen] The great
communicator. – [Kenneth]
Yes sir, he played the part.

So this man is playing
the part of a billionaire,

running a business,

he’s used to being boss,

he’s not used to people
telling him what to do.

And he’s used to negotiating

with people that change nations,

and control things and-

– [Stephen] The
globalists, we call them.

And that’s really
the struggle here.

Everything else can kind
of be traced back to that,

And that’s a one
world government,

which the Bible talks about.

We have to wonder
what’s really going on.

– You know, Stephen, now my dad,

my dad was world-class
salesman and negotiator.

My dad was a very kind man.

But, and I learned
a lot from my dad

and I’m watching Donald
Trump do the same thing,

and everybody’s said, “he
called Erdogan a good guy.

You don’t call the guy a bum

and then go try to
negotiate with him.”

That’s stupid.

You don’t come out and
say the guy’s murderer.

And then go have a
negotiation meeting with him.

No, you call him a nice guy.

And then you get
in a room with him

and just put the screws to him.

But that’s negotiation

and politicians don’t
know how to do that right.

– [Stephen] But he’s
not a politician.

– No, he’s not.

– [Stephen] He’s a businessman.

And he’s a great leader, and-

– [Kenneth] He’s about as
diplomatic as a black bear.

(Kenneth and the
audience laughs)

He doesn’t, diplomacy doesn’t
enter into his thinking

because that’s not
the way he was raised.

And I’m not saying
that that’s all bad,

but there had to be somebody,

trained a lifetime,

his dad coming up with nothing

and teaching his son how
to live in that world.

And his dad told him

when you go to the job,
don’t talk to the foreman.

He’ll tell you whatever
he wants you to know.

Go talk to the brick
layer, go talk to the guy

that’s got a
wheelbarrow in his hand,

and he’ll tell you
what’s actually going on

and you can fix it.

That’s what he’s doing now.

– [Stephen] You’re right.

And you know, his
dad was a great man

and his dad had a
big influence on him.

And I go into this in the book,

he was raised to a Presbyterian.

They went to church every Sunday

as a young adult, he went to
Norman Vincent Peale Church.

And if you…

and Norm, I had the
privilege of meeting him

and I believe he
was a great man.

A lot of us Pentecostals kind
of looked down on people,

but, he loved Jesus,
he really did.

But he said, you can believe,
and you can do things

and you can kind of see his
influence in Donald Trump.

– [Kenneth] Now, those of
you that are way too young

to know who he is.

He wrote a book called “The
Power of Positive Thinking”.

And boy,

it started out in
Reader’s Digest

and it just went wildfire.

He said,

the working title of my
book was the power of faith.

But if I’d have said faith,
nobody would have read it.

– [Stephen] That’s right.

– And also in that era,

and it’s still true
in a lot of places.

A lot of the Christians
were like doom and gloom

and negative and small
thinking and legalistic,

and he was saying, you need
to think positive and have…

And it was his way
of saying faith.

– [Kenneth] Get out
of negative thinking.

Get out of…

and you ever noticed,

Mr. Trump does not talk
about negative things.

Everything is great.

We’re gonna do this.

Great. It’s great.

It’s been great.

It’s going to be greater.

And everything is on the up.

It’s on the rise.

He never gripes about anything.

He makes fun of a lot of stuff,

but he never gripes
about anything.

Now, my being a
reformed showman,

(Kenneth and Stephen laughs)

that’s what I studied as

that’s what I wanted to be.

And I watch his stage plan.

He starts off, funny, funny
funny. He does funny stuff.

– [Stephen] I enjoy watching
his rallies. They’re just fun.

Good entertainment.

But then, and Democrats
can’t get a crowd

but people just fall
all over themselves

just to get in them, not
to hear him to watch him.

He’s a show.

But then he gets
down to business.

– [Stephen] And getting
back to how he was raised,

his mother was really the
strong Christian of the family.

She was raised in a
very… she was Scottish,

so she was raised a
Presbyterian in Scotland,

in a very conservative strain.

And her family is
from the Hebrides.

You’ve heard of the Hebrides?

– Yes.

– [Stephen] ‘Cause there
was a great revival

in 1948 to 51 called
the Hebrides Revival.

And there’s been stories
that his mother was involved

in that Hebrides
Revival, but she wasn’t

’cause she’d moved to America
about 15 years before.

But her extended family
were all impacted

by the Hebrides Revival.

– [Kenneth] Well,
had an effect on her,

through them and the things
that were passed down.

– [Stephen] Absolutely.

And he went through confirmation
in the Presbyterian Church,

and listen, you were…

if you go through confirmation,

you know the Bible-

– [Kenneth] We’re out of time.

ANNOUNCER: We hope you enjoyed
today’s teaching from Kenneth

Copeland Ministries, and
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