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Sid: Hello.
I’m Sid Roth your investigative
reporter and I’ve been so
looking forward to this show
because I have Roy Reinhold here
and he’s one of these people
that have found hidden codes in
the Bible.
I actually asked him to see if
my name was in the Bible.
Roy, how did you get interested
in these hidden codes in the
Bible?
Roy: Well Sid, I started this
about four years ago.
I was praying one day.
Sid: You’re retired military.
Roy: I’m retired military.
I retired six years ago as a
Navy officer.
And I was praying one day about
four years ago and the Lord
suddenly spoke to me and said,
“Roy, I want you to learn
Hebrew.”
That came out of the blue.
I’m not Jewish.
I don’t know any Hebrew.
And so I agreed to do that.
He didn’t tell me why.
Then three months later he spoke
to me again and said, “Roy, I
want you to get involved in the
Bible codes.”
And so I’ve been involved with
it ever since, Sid.
Sid: Now briefly describe to me,
what is the Bible Code?
Roy: The Bible Code is where we
take the Tanakh or the Torah,
the Old Testament text and we
take out all the spaces and
punctuation marks, and we’re
left with a continuous line of
text.
We put that in a software
program, some people do it by
hand, and we create matrices or
grids of rows and columns, and
we look for terms that are
displayed in there.
Much like in the newspaper, they
have small little grids where
you’re supposed to find a word
and circle it, it’s the same.
Sid: To kind of whet the
appetite, let’s take one that
you have found or that others
have found.
Let’s say everyone has heard
about the death of Princess
Diana.
What was found there?
Roy: We have a matrix on
Princess Diana that has about 45
terms and the center term is
“Spencer”, which was the royal
name there.
And it shows Diana, Dodi Fayed,
who she was dating at the time,
Paul the driver, it shows that
they died in a tunnel in Paris,
in an automobile accident,
photographers that are
prominently mentioned, and a lot
of other incidents about the
tragic accident.
Sid: Now if I was to take
another book that was just as
big as the Hebrew Scriptures,
let’s just say a book like “War
and Peace” and assuming it was
in Hebrew, because it would have
to be in Hebrew.
Roy: Right.
Sid: And I was to run the
computer test, would I find
similar things?
Could it be in any book, this
many things all together?
Roy: If you look for one or two
terms in it you’ll find those in
any book, in any language.
What make the Bible Code
different is that we find large
clusters of groupings of terms
that are clustered close
together and that are tied
together.
In another text like “War and
Peace” and Hebrew, what you
find, if you were looking for
like the University of Perdue,
someone had gone there, those
are word pairs.
They should be close together.
In a random sense in a matrix,
it might be University of here
Perdue over here, and you know,
they don’t go together.
But in the Bible Code they’re
together.
And so it’s the arrangement of
terms in a matrix or grid that
shows that the Bible Code is
valid.
Sid: So you’re saying to me
though, if I’m understanding you
right, I don’t want to put words
in your mouth.
Roy: Okay.
Sid: That no other book but the
Bible has so many groupings
together.
Roy: Exactly.
It’s the total design of the
whole thing where we have
matrices on events and real
things.
We have matrices on people and
we have matrices about God and
his nature.
Sid: Tell me about another one,
like say, Thomas Edison, the
great inventor.
What was found in that?
Roy: With the Thomas Edison
matrix that was one of the first
large matrices I had ever done
and it was to prove to myself
that the Bible Code was real.
So I went in autobiographies and
found a list of about 75 or 80
terms where it showed Edison’s
wives, places he lived, his
children and over 25 inventions.
And I found them all in a single
matrix that is readable where
you would read the words
horizontally, vertically or
diagonally.
Sid: You found how many
inventions?
Roy: Over 25 inventions and the
matrix itself has over 75 terms
in it.
Sid: How can this, I mean, how
can all of these people be in
the Bible?
It doesn’t seem to be that big a
book.
I don’t understand this.
Roy: Well it’s the way it is
designed.
There’s a very narrow window for
each matrix.
If you have a matrix with a
width of a hundred, then to be
vertical, it would have to be a
hundred or just a few either
side of it to show diagonally.
So it’s a very narrow window for
each one.
And so because of that design
you can have, it’s possible to
have billions of matrices in the
Bible.
Sid: Is it possible to find out
future events by the Bible Code?
Roy: I think so and I’ve
certainly stated that openly.
But there are other prominent
teachers of the Word of God that
say, no, you’re not supposed to
do them on the future.
I think it’s possible.
The reason is if you can do a
historical matrix then a matrix
on the future that’s going to
happen a year from now is
historical in the sense that if
you look for it two years from
now, you’d be looking back.
So there’s no logical reason why
you cannot look for a matrix on
a future event except that it’s
much harder because you don’t
know what is going to happen.
Sid: Okay.
I know as a fact that you looked
up the Israeli election where
Barak won.
Tell me what you found before
the election.
Roy: Sixty days before the
election, in 30 days, I did, I
had a matrix and developed it
with a couple of other people,
and in both cases, it showed
that Ehud Barak would win the
May 1999 election in Israel.
At the time before the election,
the previous Prime Minister,
Benjamin Netanyahu was heavily
favored to win.
Everybody thought he’d win.
So the Bible Code in these two
different matrices showed that
Ehud Barak would win.
Sid: Just out of curiosity, what
did it say?
Did it say Barak would win?
Roy: Yes.
Sid: It actually said that.
Roy: Yes.
Sid: I think this is so amazing.
What about you?
What if your name was in the
Bible?
I’m looking forward to the fact
that there is all sorts of
research done on my name in the
Bible.
I mean, and he found the most
amazing things.
I’m still having difficulty not
believing that it’s there, but
just comprehending that this
book we call the Bible that many
people just have dust on it and
sitting on a shelf is so
supernatural.
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Sid: Hello Sid Roth your
investigative reporter and just
during the break I found out
last week Roy found something.
If you think what he said so far
is mind blowing, listen to this.
Do you remember when you were
back in high school, some of you
may be in high school right now,
and they had the periodic chart
of elements, that long list of
all the little symbols for each
element.
Roy, what did you find in the
Bible Code about the periodic
chart of elements?
Roy: Sid, a couple of, about a
month and a half ago I decided
to look and see if there were a
matrix on the periodic table of
elements, because some of the
critics have said, you know,
there’s wiggle room in the way
you spell words and what you
look for.
So I thought by taking something
where we know there’s no choice
the names are there and we have
little choice in the matter.
And I looked for a single matrix
that has all the elements.
And if you could hold this.
Sid: Sure.
Roy: What this is just the
matrix report and what it shows
is in Hebrew the term, and then
in English and the equidistant
letter spacing that it’s
displayed at.
And in this matrix we have the
entire periodic table of
elements and we have all the
elements from 1 to 109.
So we have 112 separate terms in
this one line.
Sid: Now what you’re saying is
that all of these elements were
found in one grid.
Roy: In one grid.
And not only found there, but
you can read them on it,
vertically, horizontally or
diagonally.
So it’s an incredible
breakthrough for people who have
had a scientific background.
Now did it say in code the
periodic table of elements also?
Roy: Yes.
The center terms here are
periodic table of elements,
right in the center.
Sid: Now what I’m concerned
about, Roy, is some of the
viewers perhaps don’t quite
understand the Bible Code yet.
So I’m going to say it in a
simplistic fashion and you
correct me.
You be the teacher right now.
As I understand it, when I was a
kid I would find simple codes.
I’d have a sheet filled with
words and I’d go like every, I’d
come up with an arbitrary figure
that was the code, let’s say
five.
Roy: Right.
Sid: Every fifth letter I would
write down, I’d go five letters,
I’d write the letter down.
Then I’d go another five, I’d
write the letter down.
I’d find a word.
And then I would find a sentence
and that’s a very simplistic
code.
Is that the premise of this?
Roy: Exactly.
If you look on the example here
on xenon, element 54, it’s at an
equidistant letter space of
minus 1.
So in this case, it’s just
reversed, but it’s every letter.
And you have five letters in a
row spelled there: Qaf, Aleph,
Nun, Vav and Nun.
Sid: You really learned your
Hebrew.
Roy: Well I don’t have a Jewish
background, but I’ve learned
Hebrew.
Sid: Now are there elements that
you found that no one else has
found yet in the code?
Is that a possibility?
Roy: Well you know, that’s one
of the reasons why I did this
matrix.
But certainly I haven’t looked
at it.
And there are 115 actual
elements discovered so far, but
any above 109 have a temporary
name.
And so I didn’t look for them
yet, since they had temporary
names.
But there’s something I think
I’d like to look for in the
future to see if I could find
out how many elements God
created or what other elements
we are going to be discovering
yet.
Sid: Okay.
I can hardly wait.
Although I have to be honest, I
think I know, you found my name
in the Bible.
But you believe everyone’s name
is there.
Roy: Yes.
I believe that there is a single
matrix on the life of every
person.
We can’t prove it because we’ve
only done 50 or a hundred.
Sid: You haven’t done every
person.
Roy: So we can’t prove that
there is.
But if you do 50 and all 50 are
there then you can kind of
conclude that maybe everybody
is.
Sid: Look, I’m impressed.
I gave you my name.
As a matter of fact, I gave him
my birth name, which then many
years ago I changed, I
shortened.
My birth name is Sidney Abraham
Rothbaum.
My legal name is Sid Roth.
But so I gave you that
information and tell me what you
found and perhaps I can hold
this up.
First of all, what are we
looking at?
What is all of this Hebrew?
Roy: This is very interesting.
This is very explanatory for
people.
A matrix is just rows and
columns, so it’s just letters.
Sid: From where is this in the
Bible?
Roy: It starts up here in the
upper right and goes from Song
of Solomon down to the Book of
Nehemiah in the lower left.
Sid: And, okay, explain this
now.
Roy: A life matrix on a person
is set up very logically.
The center term or the main term
is the last name of the person,
in this case, your last name.
Sid: What does it say?
Roy: It says Rothbaum, which was
your name before you shorted it
to Roth.
Sid: Yes.
Roy: And also here is a clump
of, right in this area, and we
have Sidney, Sidney, we have
your middle name, Abraham, and
we have your Jewish name, or
Hebrew name.
Sid: Yeah.
Incidentally, every Jewish
person has a name and from the
country they’re from, but also a
Hebrew name, and my name, my
Hebrew name is Israel ben Jacov
David.
Roy: And so right here in this
same general area where we had
Sidney Abraham, your first and
middle name, we have Yisrael ben
Jacov David right here in the
same exact area.
Right above that is your date of
birth information.
We have Shalosh Tammuz 5700,
which was September 7, 1940.
Sid: That’s exactly, and it’s,
now you told me something
interesting, that the date of
birth is normally found in the
same section for most people.
Is that correct?
Roy: All the matrices I’ve done
on people’s lives, it’s in the
upper right hand corner,
sometimes maybe down into this
area, but it’s in this
particular area of the matrix.
And in this case it shows above
and below here your date of
birth.
It shows [Hebrew], birth.
Sid: Now on this page, and I
don’t want you to tell me.
Roy: Okay.
Sid: Is my death, in your
opinion?
Roy: Oh yes, it’s on there.
Sid: Don’t tell me.
Roy: Okay.
But your wife’s name is on
there.
Sid: Really?
What does it say?
Roy: It says– Sid: Her name is
Joyce.
Roy: Joyce Thurley and Young.
Sid: Wait a second.
Now give me a break.
Let me give you this chart back.
My wife’s name is an old family
name.
No one I know has that name for
a middle name.
You’re telling me that in the
Bible, written thousands of
years ago, it’s Joyce Thurley
and Young is there?
Roy: Yes.
And not only that, but they’re
crossing, and crossing those, it
says “wife”.
So it’s below your last name and
it shows she’s your wife.
And it was written 3000 years
ago in the Bible, encoded in the
Bible Code.
Sid: Is there any explanation, I
mean, you’re a real thinker type
person.
I can tell.
You’re also a very logical type
of person.
Is there any explanation of why
my name, my wife’s name, my date
of birth, you even found the
name of the organization that
I’m with in there, and the exact
date that it was founded.
I mean, is there any explanation
beyond God wrote the book?
Is there any other explanation?
Roy: Well some people have come
up with some real oddball
things.
But there’s no explanation
except to note that whoever
encoded it knew all these events
long ago, because for example,
it starts at the book, Song of
Solomon, which was written about
1000 B.C.
So we have 3000 years ago that
was encoded underneath it.
So whoever encoded the
information, which I believe is
God, knew the important events
about every person’s life.
Sid: Imagine that.
Three thousand years ago God put
my name in the Bible, in code,
my wife’s name in the Bible, the
name of my organization, the day
it started, the date I was born.
I mean, give me a break, you
skeptics.
Where are you when I need you?
We’ll be right back after this.
Sid: Hello Sid Roth your
investigative reporter.
I’m here with Roy Reinhold.
And Roy, you said that in code,
and this really surprised me,
there are only three places
where you find Jesus the
Messiah, that phrase or Hebrew,
Yeshua Ha’Mashiach, and one of
them had an astounding thing in
their matrix.
Tell me about it.
Roy: Yes.
In the entire Tanakh, the Old
Testament, it’s, Yeshua
Ha’Mashiach is only found three
times.
And I cut off the center part of
to show the audience.
The center term actually says,
[Hebrew], which means, is
translated into English as,
“What is he?
The gift, Yeshua the Messiah, is
it not?
Surely it is.”
Sid: Say that again, will you?
Roy: What is he?
The gift, Yeshua the Messiah, is
it not?
Surely it is.
It’s an incredible central.
Sid: Can I hold that up?
Roy: Sure.
Sid: Tell me about this now.
Roy: It’s an incredible single,
central term of 17 letters long.
Now on a statistical basis the
chances of that occurring are
infinitesimally small.
And what was incredible about
this matrix, as I looked at it
further, is that this particular
matrix, next to it, it says,
“Announcement: I’m coming soon
with love to Israel.”
Sid: Oh my goodness.
It really says that there?
Roy: Yes.
And– Sid: Jesus, get this now.
Jesus the Messiah,
“Announcement: I’m coming soon
with love to Israel.”
Again, skeptics, where are you
when I need you?
Roy: And the matrix goes on to
cover the Second Coming.
That’s why this matrix is so
important.
It covers all aspects of the
Second Coming– Sid: Of the
Messiah.
Roy: Of the Messiah.
It talks about him.
Sid: How does this line up, what
I want to know is how does it
line up what is in code with
what it says in our
translations, in the Tanakh?
In other words, it tells us what
to expect in the Bible.
Does the code also tell us the
same things or different things,
or more things?
Roy: The Bible Code actually
agrees with the prophecies of
the Bible.
And in some cases it amplifies
it.
It gives us a few more detail.
For example, this is only the
center part of the matrix, but
if I showed you the whole matrix
up above in this area, there
would be an area that showed
where the armies of the earth
will attack the Messiah, and
they’re going to use chemical,
nuclear and biological weapons.
Sid: How do you know that?
Roy: It states it specifically.
Sid: Really?
Roy: Yes.
Sid: But they didn’t know about
chemical and nuclear, and
biological weapons when the
prophets, ancient prophets
penned these words.
Roy: No, I don’t think the
people who wrote the book knew
any of that.
Sid: There wasn’t even an
automobile or computer, or
telephone, nothing.
Roy.
Exactly.
But it states right in there
that nuclear, chemical and
biological weapons.
And they’re going to attack the
Messiah, but he’s going to
render the weapons useless or be
turned back on the armies that
launch them, which his exactly
what, for example, is written in
Zachariah 14, where it talks
about the armies of the earth
attacking the Messiah and the
weapons being rendered useless.
And then there’s another area
that’s really interesting in
this matrix and it talks about
judgment of the people living on
the earth.
And specifically, it talks about
judging of the Jewish people in
the prophetic fulfillment of Yom
Kippur, which is the Day of
Atonement.
And it talks about theó Sid:
What do you mean by judging?
Roy: The Messiah is going to be
sitting there on a throne and
he’s going to judge the people
who are alive on the earth.
They’re going to come before him
and he’s going to judge whether
they’re going to be allowed to
stay and populate the earth or
whether they’re going to be
rejected.
Sid: Now the Bible talks about a
Book of Life, and in Judaism, on
Yom Kippur, we pray and fast
that our name be inscribed in
the Book of Life.
Do you believe that the Book of
Life might be the Bible?
Roy: Well if I answered it and
said, yes I think it’s a good
possibility.
But I actually asked the Lord
one day that question while I
was praying one day.
And I asked the Lord, is the
Book of Life encoded in the
Bible?
Certainly I know it’s not
encoded in the equites and
letter spacing system we’re
using now for Bible code.
And he answered me on it and
said, “Yes, it’s encoded there,
but it’s a different encoding
system and I’m not going to
allow anyone to break that
coding system right now.”
And the reason why would
probably be that this life here
is a testing place and if you
knew your name was in the Book
of Life and you didn’t have to
do anything about it or have any
faith, or read the Word of God
then it wouldn’t be much of a
test.
So certainly, some of those
things are left as unknowns to
us.
Sid: Well I’ve got a question.
I have a question for you and
that is it’s unknown.
We don’t have the way to break
the code, assuming the Bible is
the Book of Life.
But there is a way to know for
sure that your name is in the
Book of Life.
I mean, absolutely know for
sure.
I don’t mean just say a little
prayer and have someone else
tell you your name is in the
Book of Life.
I mean, there’s a way that you
can know yourself.
And I’ll tell you because I had
that experience.
I know that I know, that I know.
I don’t hope it.
I mean, being Jewish, no one
told me Jesus was the Messiah,
as a child.
I learned that Jesus wasn’t the
Messiah, is what I was taught.
But I had my own experience.
Whether you’re Jewish or
gentile, whether you’re
Christian or Muslim, each person
must have their own experience
with God.
And there’s no other name give
on to man in which we must be
saved, but that Yeshua
Ha’Mashiach, who is going to
judge the earth.
First, sincerely tell God you’re
sorry for your sins because you
really offended him.
You really sinned against him
and him only.
Ask him to forgive you.
Ask him to cover your sins with
his blood and believe by faith
that he’s coming to live inside
of you, and say out loud, Jesus,
I make you Lord of my life.
I make you Lord over every area
of my life.
I want to know you.
I have a great desire to know
you.
Oh God, become real to me now in
Jesus’ name.
Amen.
You said that, God heard it and
now believe he’s going to move.
He is going to.