In this It’s Supernatural! Classic episode from 1998: What happens when a high priestess of satan tries to seduce a man and encounters a power that causes all hell to break loose? This satanic high priestess found she was no match for God!
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what happens when a High Priestess of
Satan tries to seduce a man and
encounters a power that causes all hell
to break loose next on this edition of
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hello I’m Sid Roth your investigative
reporter my guest was a High Priestess
of Satan most people think that this is
just cartoons a figment of someone’s
imagination I mean the devil is sewing
with a red suit and a tail and horns and
and Flip Wilson says the devil made me
do it
but it’s real lissa Gwen how did you
originally get into Satanism my
motivation was I was raised in a very
abusive home environment a victim at a
very young age and that victimization
will often make you look for power for
control for ways to not become a victim
anymore
you know I remember at a very young age
going I will never be hurt like this
again and trying to find ways to ensure
that and the enemy is very you know he’s
very capable a satanic worship the
occult witchcraft ESP all have a draw of
power on them this was a very very
appealing when you had an abusive
stepfather that you wanted to get the
edge on so to speak right but how does
how does a young child I mean how does a
young child get into Satanism there are
a lot of different factors for me I can
tell you that media played a big role I
remember growing up one of my favorite
songs was about a woman who had the
title of the witch in the song and she
could hold men spellbound by the look in
her eyes you know to sing along with
those words into dream of having that
much power over our abusers you know I
had a friend who was also in an abusive
situation we kind of bonded together
just to get each other through you know
two of our favorite shows we’re about a
witch in a genie television shows and
young impressionable kids in situations
of being hurt and abuse all the time do
you know what a what a draw it was to
watch these shows and to wish that all
we had to do was switch our nose or
blink our eyes did you believe that when
we’re watching it you
will believe anything when you’re in a
situation where you’re being violated
driven down torn apart and shredded
emotionally
you’ll grasp to any hope in any port in
the storm you know and in desperation
you’ll be you’ll begin to believe
whatever you can with us we went to our
just our school libraries lots of books
on ESP increasing your ESP ability lots
of books on witchcraft you know our
school libraries are full of books on
the occult but but you had an uncle that
helped you on yes I had an uncle related
by marriage who was the only adult for a
long time that listened to me that that
seemed to respect me we would sit and
have long talks because as I began
studying about the supernaturally occult
and ESP and things of that sort he would
encourage me in those studies and I had
no idea he was a satanic priest and so
he was pretty much grooming me to be
incorporated into that lifestyle did in
other words you didn’t know that he was
a satanic priest would it have bothered
you if you knew it probably not I
probably would have found it very
appealing and more than likely so did
you reach a point where this power
stopped your stepfather from abusing you
yes I remember him coming toward me once
and I stood there and I an visualized by
the time this happened I had these
lovely little imaginary friends people
that that I could only see you know how
kids have imaginary friends but my
imaginary friends I believe were so
powerful actually what what it was was
spiritual forces that I had put myself
into agreement you know contract with
that put an R and a power around me that
when he came toward me and I was like no
way and he literally backed away looking
like this how old were you at that time
I was 13 took all that time and I was
already a Satanist at that time I was
initiated at age 12 No
most of what I know about that is you
see on television but that’s not even
the tip of the iceberg
how bad is Satanism very prevalent you
have to understand Satanism is not just
active worshipping of Satan Satanism is
any religion or practice that that
fosters man’s belief in himself and his
separation and independence from a
higher power from God you know as we
understand him to be no but I read about
sacrificing children isn’t it is this
for real that’s for real
if you let your imagination run wild
with you a lot of what you believe in
picture about Satanism is real the
problem comes with media media has been
desensitizing people for years and years
and years you think it’s intentional I
think part of it is yeah I believe that
we have spiritual forces that are
working daily to keep the general public
doubtful of their existence or you know
one of the things that that you’ll do in
a warfare is you’ll try and make your
enemy think you don’t exist yeah that
way you can run rip shot a room and
he’ll never great no he’ll never take up
arms against you and so Christians for a
long time in media have been played as
you know you always see Christians in
movies standing up to the dragon in and
you know spiritual people using
spiritual powers of good and they always
end up you know getting chewed up and
spit out you have the meanwhile you have
the witch you know trying to do good
things with bad magic and they’re coming
out on top or you’ll see all of this
gore displayed as far as the occult and
it’s so portrayed in such an extravagant
manner that people believe that’s all it
is is extravagance rather than realizing
all of that is based in reality well why
do they sacrifice a child in Satanism
Satanism is predominantly based in old
law what you would call Old Testament
I for an eye tooth for tooth goes back
to the original sin of man which caused
an animal to have to die for God to make
skins to clothe you no man because he
fell sin has always led to the shedding
of blood and therefore the shedding of
blood has always been a way of paying
for sin okay but also there’s life in
the blood and you know every pagan
religion in the world requires some kind
of sacrifice some kind whether it’s
animal grain person you know it’s like
what you give up for your God it’s all
based in works there’s no grace okay
Lisa how did you feel when you saw a
life being taken the first time
terrified I blocked it out for years and
years didn’t recall it for a long time
eventually you get hardened to it you
realize that what you’re doing is you
have a need to achieve a certain power
or a certain goal and if one person
suffers because of that that’s the
costume what why didn’t have a need to
achieve a certain power a certain goal
why did you have a need by that time my
whole identity came from what people
told me I was and who people told me I
was my abilities once you get involved
in the kingdom of darkness it’s like a
dog-eat-dog mentality blunt gunslinger
mentality and so you progress you know
from power to power to power and there’s
always somebody trying to knock you out
but your whole identity is consumed with
what you can achieve and how much power
you can get for yourself in control what
do you think would happen when you died
I believed that I would go to be with my
master in the kingdom of darkness thing
would be given the position of rulership
there but certainly you heard about
Jesus Jesus to me was a man who was
stupid enough to find himself nailed to
a cross he was a good man okay he had a
message from God but unless people took
advantage of his message then they had
no authority to stop you and if they
chose not to learn how to stop me then
they didn’t have a right to take to keep
anything I wanted to take
okay time came when they wanted you to
have a child so that they could
sacrifice it or or use it in some way
why in the world did you find this
distasteful
it’s differently insurance you know
that’s an ultimate thing by the time
they asked for that I had had two major
experiences in my life that had started
me on an adventure of questioning
everything that I’ve been taught for 20
years all of the spiritual laws and
principles that I had been taught that
gave me the right the legal rights to
use and manipulate and control powers of
darkness I was beginning to question
because I had two encounters that were
not supposed to have been able to happen
like what the first was I was moved to
another state and that’s often done
they’ll position people in different
states because they view it
territorially they want to you know
maintain control in certain areas so I
was moved to this one state and one of
my assignments was to tear apart or
destroy the Ministry of this one man who
had started teaching in spiritual
warfare what why would you care about if
Jesus didn’t exist what difference does
it make if you terror a minister apart
or not what’s the big deal because this
Minister believed in everything that
Jesus did and he was standing on
spiritual laws that were superior to
ours for example you know a person could
die a Popper if they never knew they had
a million dollars in a bank most
Christians believe they had a million
dollars in the bank they just never go
withdraw it okay so this man was making
trouble for your kingdom Frank what was
the objective what did you want to do to
this man this Minister we wanted to get
him out of ministry however that we had
to do that and if we couldn’t do that
destroy him kill him I had you or your
friends done this with other ministers
previously yes I will tell you at the
specific time that I was sent to this
one city we had five other people
positioned one was in a major city where
a major ministry felt as a result of
that yeah how do you try to do to cause
a ministry
well you look for weaknesses for vices
that you can manipulate any sin loophole
area impropriety you find his greatest
source of counsel in unity you know if
he has a partner for a church for
example you would look at the pastor and
associate pastor of the pastor in the
music leader you know find the strongest
source of unity and you divide it divide
and conquer
okay what happened when you went into
this particular church I went in I kept
sending people in first you know to go
in in what we called infiltrators and
they weren’t coming back some of them
were just not getting anywhere we’re
just too embarrassed to come back and
admit failure because that’s you know
that’s a no-no I mean you just don’t
admit failure or weakness so you now at
the level of your right you’re going to
go in and take care of business right
because I had people above me that we’re
sitting on me go and why aren’t you
getting this done okay so here I go in
to handle it myself I’ll tell you what
when Lisa comes back we’re going to find
out help she took care of this ministry
don’t you tear :
we will return to it’s supernatural
right after this
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hello I’m Sid Roth here investigative
reporter I imagine you didn’t even run
to the refrigerator to get some food
during during the break because my guest
was a High Priestess of Satan and her
job was to go into churches and cause
the the pastors or the leadership to
fall and just because the power in this
one particular church was hurting her
kingdom and she had sent other people
there to disrupt their church and it had
been successful so Lisa Gwyn you WA you
decided you’re going to take care of it
what happened well I went in under the
guise of wanting help from this pastor
who was was doing so much counseling and
helping people with occult pasts and and
my encounter with him was really shook
the foundation of everything that I had
been taught I was taught that I served
the ultimate power well you know five
minutes after I walked through the door
he began to pray to his God and what
that did to me was was really wreak
havoc and it caused all of the demonic
powers that I thought I hadn’t
controlled to pretty much come out
manifest themselves you know the room
began to fill up when he prayed and
really they began to threaten me because
I had taken them into a situation
against a power that they couldn’t stand
against and I after that point I began
to question everything I’d been taught
in Satanism about the power of darkness
because I’ve been taught that I served
the supreme ruler in darkness the
supreme power go out there if they’re
afraid of this Christian minister while
you’re alive then how about the
repercussion of what happens when you
die I mean you thought you were assuring
yourself a kingdom with Satan but right
I can’t even handle things in this life
it’s true that’s true
Satan’s pretty much just a spoiled brat
who knows his king is near and he’s
pulling out all the stops to keep his
little fan Castle Kingdom from being
washed away well so did this minister
tell you to accept Jesus and did you I
he did but I didn’t why everything that
I knew about Jesus was no power okay all
the churches I had ever been in and a
lot of the Christians I had known just
were wimps you know they said God was
all-powerful but they were always going
through all these circumstances they had
no power yeah I know but at this
particular one there was obviously power
so why didn’t you accept Jesus another
factor involved in that what’s like
after a while you are so used to the
kingdom of darkness you believe you are
of the kingdom of darkness and you can’t
change it’s like holding out you know
it’s like a homosexual that thinks they
can’t yeah thinks he’s chained that
there’s no other option yeah but they’re
quickly be carrying of an apparent
option you know the Lord began to just
put miraculous circumstances in my life
God began to orchestrate people that
came into my life oh there was a person
came into your life you you were
instructed to have a child for the sake
of sacrifice and you rebelled you didn’t
you didn’t want to do that right and so
you Rand yeah weren’t you afraid yeah I
was but I knew when I made the choices
that I made I knew that if I ever
decided to leave they would come and
kill me
and I accepted the consequences of that
and they sent an infiltrator tell me
about him well I kind of fell in love
with this guy that I thought was a cat’s
meow you know he’s everything I ever
wanted
and after six months of living together
I discovered that he too was a high
priest that had been sent just to keep
tabs on my life I confronted him with
that knowledge managed to separate
myself from him and shortly thereafter
found out that I was pregnant and he
made it real clear being a high priest
he said now he said that’s my ticket
that child’s my ticket and faced with
that option abortion became my option
which he didn’t take lying down you
don’t do that you don’t you don’t abort
the child of a high priest and so he
pretty much broke into my apartment the
next day with some of his friends
destroyed just about everything and it
and beat me so badly I was told I would
never have children
and at that point I ran I ran out to the
west coast I buried myself working for
the motion picture studios just trying
to hide and but you had a grandmother
that didn’t give up on you that knew how
to get in touch with God and one day she
called you she would call me all the
time through the years you know I would
be in the midst of sin and hear the
answering machine come on and I’d hear
her say day lord have mercy child I
don’t know what you’ve been doing but
I’ve been talking to God and he told me
to call you and tell you to stop you
know he said those are things when she
said those things what did you think I
used to think man grandma’s just she’s
got it all together you know she really
she knows about spiritual power I never
thought about the source of that
spiritual power you know but when she
called and told me she said I don’t need
to know everything you’ve been involved
in don’t want to but you need to find a
man who believes in the power of God a
preacher or somebody tell them what
you’ve been involved in and ask for help
and I did and got no results
why well the first church I went to the
pastor got kind of scared and said you
know we don’t want any trouble here and
showed me to the door because a lot of
churches although they affirmed the
power of God they deny that there is a
devil they take half of the Bible and
believe it and throw out the other half
the other pastor didn’t believe it where
I said still another one told me well
what you have to do is you have to pray
every day and go to church every week
and read your Bible every day and he was
giving me all these step-by-step things
to do and I looked and I said that
sounds like ritual to me and if I’m not
mistaken its ritual that got me in this
condition and so I gave up but
fortunately you saw someone on
television yeah I did I started watching
this minister on television and and he
had a rather miraculous powerful
television show and I found out he was
going to be in the area and I decided
that I would go and check him out and
see if what I was seeing on TV was true
and the last meeting I started to leave
and through just a series of events and
people chose to stay and he opened his
sermon that night was saying I don’t
know if you’ve ever had the devil visit
you
in your home and he began to share in an
encounter that he had had with a demonic
presence and he had my attention and I
listened to what he said he began to
pray afterwards and called out miracles
and healings and things and he said if
you felt the power of God get down here
well I didn’t feel anything but this
person next to me pushed me out into the
aisle and I was kind of caught in the
flow because obviously hundreds of other
people had felt something and they were
all crammed in the aisle and I was like
I had no choice right so I am ended up
getting up onto the stage and he prayed
for me and nothing happened
absolutely nothing happened and I walked
off the stage and here this teenager
again that had pushed me out in the
aisle to begin with came out and said
get back in line you know you came here
for something don’t leave without it and
I told him I said no I know where the
line is I crossed it the point of no
return and I can live with that but on
my way out the door here came this
teenage boy again with his pastor towing
him toward me saying help me pray for
this girl and that pastor confronted me
with a question he said what do you want
if God or Jesus were standing here and
asked you what you wanted what would you
tell him and I began with my list you
know I wanted to know what peace of mind
was what it was like to say the world
word beautiful again what it was like to
sleep more than two or three hours a
night without things moving in my room
or voices I want to know what peace was
and as I gave him my list I noticed that
my face was wet and I reached up and
wiped these tears away and I guess the
shock really showed because this
preacher said what and I all I could
stutter was I didn’t think they worked
anymore
well I realized I was crying I had said
years before when I last time I had
cried I said I would never shed another
tear when I was 8 years old
because I was falsely accused of
something and it’s so wounded me and the
person that accused me said see she’s
guilty because she’s crying if she
wasn’t guilty she wouldn’t be crying and
I viewed tears of something so horrible
but through those tears he asked me he
said if God could give you those things
would you give him a chance and I said
certainly I struck a deal with the devil
once I can certainly do the same thing
for God and give him a try and he led me
in a prayer acknowledging I was a sinner
in
asking the Lord to forgive me and that
began the change in my life everything
from the next couple of days what
happened that night when you went oh I
started driving in from San Jose down to
Los Angeles and the more I drove the
drunker I got I mean I was getting
queasy
I hadn’t had anything to drink alcohol
but I felt drunk and I remember stopping
to get gas and I was washing my hands in
the bathroom and I started laughing you
know just laughing I was so drunk and
laughing so hard I ended up throwing my
wallet to the door you didn’t drink
alcohol no all I can say is God was
doing spiritual surgery on me and the
laughter was an anesthetic he was using
laughter you know the Bible says that
laughter works good like a medicine he
was using that laughter to do a lot of
healing inside of me because I had
gotten into Satanism from woundedness
you know and you can’t just quit
something when you don’t get rid of the
cause you know you can treat the symptom
but if you don’t get to the wound you’re
just going to substitute another symptom
you know so the Lord used that and he
began to do surgery on me and for a
couple of days I was just drunk when I
made it home I went to sleep at 11:30 in
the morning he hadn’t slept for two days
went to sleep at 11:30 in the morning
had never slept more than an hour to a
night I woke up 9:30
the next morning 22 hours later in the
same position I went to sleep in how’d
you feel still drunk and it’s been
nothing but a change ever since a great
adventure of watching the Lord take me
from step of freedom to step up for you
yes but you don’t leave as a High
Priestess of Satan and just say bye-bye
guys and our believer in Jesus I
understand the daughter of one of the
top priests were the top priests
in the world of Satan came after you
tell me about that yeah they sent
enforcers which are people that will
either kill you or take you back to kill
me
three enforcers I found myself out in
the desert and I told them in the name
of Jesus you have to let me go they did
I should have told them in the name of
Jesus you can’t touch me because I was
pretty much a little bit worse for wear
we go but the Lord delivered me out of
that situation and you know and later I
asked the Lord why how did they do that
because I knew these men who didn’t kill
me we’re going to be killed for not
fulfilling an assignment and the Lord
took me into the book of Romans where it
says that if we’ve you know been buried
with Christ in Baptism if we’ve entered
into the family of God then we’ve been
buried with him into his death and that
the old me the only one they had a
license to kill was the old me she’s the
one who did all of those things and when
I accepted the Lord I became a new
creation and as long as I keep the old
me dead he will keep the new me alive
that’s how I walked away the devil’s got
power you know that yeah are you telling
me that he’s got nothing compared to the
power of God nothing he has counterfeits
wrapped up in pretty packages that he’s
been using from the beginning of time to
fool people into thinking that he’s got
the ultimate power so that folks will
never know that there is not just an
ultimate power in God but part of that
power is the strength of love that God
has for people if you do not know God
you don’t know love if you do not know
acceptance you have no way of coping
what’s what’s going on in this world to
know God is to know love to know God is
to know the Jewish Messiah Jesus when
you repent of your sins and you turn for
them and you say I believe Jesus and
died for my sins
you are washed clean
and God will live inside of you
and God will give you a peace like what
you’re experiencing right now some of
you are experiencing the peace of God
right now as soon as we’re through you
do business with the Living God
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