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hello Sid Roth here welcome to my world
where it’s naturally Supernatural my
guest Dr Michael Brown and Michael went
out on the streets of Manhattan and
asked the key question the operative
question
is Jesus the Jewish Messiah let’s find
out what these people thought
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I really I think there was a great man
and it was misinterpreted in my opinion
but it’s only my opinion I’m not sure
there is a messiah
come or not to come I don’t I’m not that
certain of it that’s part of our Jewish
mythology well I think unfortunately
that
most most people don’t know the
authentic uh Torah verses so you have a
lot of a lot of Jews who
um they themselves are not don’t know
the
uh the authentic Hebrew so see a lot of
the things were actually mistranslated
hello Sid Roth here again with Dr
Michael Brown and uh Mike when I see
that obviously religious Jew patting his
baby and saying well listen now the
English translations they don’t do
justice and beside Jews don’t even know
it but if they knew it the English
translations are wrong it reminds me of
a young Jewish man they used to call
drug bear drug bear drug bear I’m
looking at them right now tell me how
drug bear ended up in front of an
orthodox Rabbi who says young man you
don’t even know Hebrew you know I was
just a few blocks from where that man
was speaking that last man was in
Brooklyn Crown Heights Brooklyn I was
just a few blocks from that man in 1973
with ultra-orthodox rabbis the long
beard the black hat black hoe telling me
that very thing you don’t even know
Hebrew you can’t rely on the English
translations what had happened to me was
as a heavy drug user they call me drug
bear Iron Man because I was so crazy
with my drug use 15 years old was
shooting heroin 16 years old this
decadent lifestyle stealing money from
my own father and thinking I was a
basically good person and by the way
your father was a what a state supreme
court justice he was right under that he
was the senior law assistant in the New
York Supreme Court working directly with
the judges in fact it almost became a
Supreme Court Justice and my mom and dad
happily married Jewish family I had a
good upbringing I got caught up in the
whole counterculture movement of the 60s
drugs rock music the whole bit rebellion
and then something happened my two best
friends Gentiles started to go to a
little gospel preaching church because
two girls were going that they liked and
their dad had been praying for them for
years so little by little God started to
work in their lives I didn’t like this
we were going to be a great band we were
going to be rock stars so I went to this
little church to pull my friends out now
bear in mind I was completely religious
I didn’t care about God and I definitely
didn’t believe in Jesus I didn’t believe
in Jesus any more than Muhammad or
Buddha but God started to work in my
life I never experienced this in the
synagogue the few times I would go to
our conservative synagogue I never
experienced this people I found out
years later began to pray for me people
say oh I don’t believe in God hey God’s
real people pray I didn’t even know they
were praying and God started to make me
uncomfortable with my lifestyle I used
to boast about all the drugs I did I
used to both if I break it into a
doctor’s office or a home or betraying
my best friends now I started to feel
miserable about it God was dealing with
me a couple months later I went back to
that church again and something actually
happened the light went on I can’t
explain how but I knew you know I had
that same type of thing happen to me
it’s I I just knew I mean and sometimes
when I first shared this I thought well
I have to have something spectacular but
the spectacular wasn’t outside it was
inside with me yeah and I’ll tell you
what happened I knew Jesus was the
Messiah I knew he died for my sins he
rose from the dead but I had a problem I
didn’t want to change I didn’t want to
give up my drugs so I prayed a stupid
prayer November 12 1971 I said God if
you don’t want me to get high tonight
when I get home and shoot heroin it
actually cocaine it was when I go home
and shoot cocaine and use these other
drugs don’t let them have any effect on
me stupid prayer but that’s what I
prayed well I went home and tried to get
high I ingested a large quantity of
drugs you’re a drug bear I know and
nothing happened so then I battled six
weeks High one day going to church the
next back and forth and then December
17th of 1971 I experienced the love of
God in a way that was Indescribable I
experienced a joy in my heart a joy that
was different than drugs a joy that was
different than friendship a joy that was
different than sports or music or just
doing good it was it was on a different
plane and I realized look at how much
God loves you he loves you enough to
send his son to die for you in your
filthy playing in the mud and now I was
washed I was cleansed I felt like he’d
put me in these beautiful clean robes
and I was going back out and playing in
the morning what did your parents think
about this nice Jewish parents well
here’s you know they they were looked at
it with curiosity that was going to a
church it was meaningless to them but
when I came home that night I said I
will never put an a needle in my arm
again do you understand when I
experience the goodness and love of God
it was powerful enough that I said this
thing that’s been a mountain in my life
this is my lifestyle I will never touch
it again and when I went home and told
my parents they they they didn’t know
what to make of it they first laughed I
told my dad I got saved he said
Hallelujah you didn’t know what to make
of it but then they saw I’m changing my
whole lifestyle’s changing my head’s not
clouded from smoking pot day and night
and and I’m not messed up with all these
other things they could see a change in
my life I’m becoming a decent human
being again so now it’s time to go to
the rabbi of course I mean now who sent
you the rabbi your parents my dad of
course but he didn’t even he was a
secular Jew what’s the deal because when
you’re a Jew you don’t believe in Jesus
it’s like betrayal that’s you know our
ancestors died rather than do something
like that so I go in to meet the local
Rabbi he’s a new guy there he’s about 10
11 years older than me fresh out of
Seminary nice guy befriended me we began
to interact and and I remember I was
talking to him one time he said you
don’t know Hebrew I said well I can rely
on the dictionary until I learn it I’ll
rely on the dictionary in the in the
back of of Strong’s Concordance in the
meantime and he said meantime is to
remember those words if you don’t know
Hebrew it doesn’t mean a thing so I’m
starting to feel I mean I know God’s
changed my life I remember the time I
had hives all over my body you know that
that whatever I was reacting to I I’d
come down with them and it’s it’s
terrible you’re itching all over you got
these blotches all over you and and it
happened to me when I was first a
Believer and I I thought I had to be
praying with someone for God to hear me
I didn’t think he’d hear me if I was by
myself I was so new I didn’t know
anything so I went to the doctor and
they gave me this medicine and took 24
hours even to begin to have an effect
and finally I seemed to be over it I was
I was driving in the school driving to
school on the bus one day and suddenly I
realized oh no this thing’s breaking out
I’m not over it starts to spread up my
arms and you you know you can see it it
was it was winter time when I rolled my
sleeve up I said oh no it’s blotches all
over my arms and I thought I don’t even
have the medicine and if I did it
doesn’t work for 24 hours not in a minor
panic because this was miserable and I’m
at school so I grabbed a guy also brand
new believer also Jewish and I said
agree with me in prayer because I
thought I had
I was so new and we prayed and next
minute kids started coming in the
classroom two minutes later I roll up my
sleeves all the blotch is gone I mean
every last thing disappeared so you
didn’t know Hebrew but you knew how to
get rid of the blotches on your arm but
guess what
he is now a PhD from New York University
a secular University
in near Eastern languages and
literatures and he speaks reads or
writes 12 Semitic languages and let’s
find out now that he knows Hebrew better
than the rabbi what he thinks about
those prophecies don’t go away we’ll be
right back
we’ll be right back to It’s Supernatural
we now return to It’s Supernatural
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hello Sid Roth here with Dr Michael
Brown we just found out that Michael
went off of drugs instantly his Jewish
parents thought it was wonderful but
they did whatever good Jewish parent
does even a secular Jewish parent does
they marched them off to the rabbi the
rabbi said to Dr Brown you don’t even
know Hebrew and you’re telling me Dr
Brown says yes but I’ve been touched by
God I’ve seen God heal in the name of
Jesus you don’t know Rabbi but so you
went you took the challenge you studied
Hebrew now I have a question for you
I know that you have a great deal of the
Jewish scriptures memorized in Hebrew
I have a favorite passage that was
written some 800 years before Jesus came
to Earth it’s Isaiah 53 could you look
in the camera and share just a few
paragraphs of that in Hebrew well sure
uh starts at Isaiah 52 13
yes
behold my servant will act wisely he’ll
Prosper he’ll be high and exalted lifted
up exceedingly
just as many were astonished at you so
his his Visage was marred beyond that of
a man he was so disfigured says that it
didn’t even look like a man and it goes
on this wonderful verse one of my
favorites and all the Hebrew Scriptures
it starts with the words all of us and
it ends with the words all of us Isaiah
53 6 kulanu katzon
all of us like sheep have gone astray
each one has turned to his own way and
the lord has laid on him the guilt of
all of us Sid the most amazing thing
that happened to me was not being healed
of hives or being touched by God and
other things the guilt left my life the
the sense that I was guilty in God’s
sight because of my sin it left in a
moment of time and I knew I was right
with God so here’s what happens the
local Rabbi brings me to ultra Orthodox
rabbis in Brooklyn New York in the
summer of 1973 and they man they’re
serious they pray every day they’re
seeking to live holy lives they seem
devoted to God just like the people in
my church that I’m going to except
they’re Jewish and what’s I mean they
look they looked right I mean it looks
more like Moses with long beard in the
way you’d picture it and I would picture
them as the most from religious people
in town yeah and here I’m in a church I
mean so at that point I used to memorize
20 verses a day I had memorized probably
in the previous six seven months four
thousand verses or so I could man I
could Out quote anybody from the King
James Bible I sit down with them and I
quote they go oh those English
translation yeah they’re just they
weren’t being nasty they’re just saying
wow they’re not good so they get the
Hebrew out and they say can you read
like I remembered a few letters from my
bar mitzvah see in my bar Ministry this
is the way it is for many Jews and and
our Christian friends listening need to
realize most Jews in America are not
religious most Jews in America don’t
know the Bible well and even religious
Jews do not have the relationship with
God the intimacy the encounter that we
have but here they open their Bibles and
they they start to to show me the the
Hebrew and they say can you follow along
now I feel like a kindergartener said I
mean I’ve met with God but I feel
intimidated and these nice guys and
trying to read along letter for letter
with me in the Hebrew what am I supposed
to say so I I felt okay I know God’s
changed my life but they’re ants they’re
asking solid questions I need to get
answers and I need to get answers in a
way that I don’t have to rely on anybody
else I don’t have to rely on a
dictionary or a commentary I I can study
it for myself after all doesn’t God want
us to know his word I mean where does it
ever say in the scriptures if you want
to understand the Bible go to the rabbi
go to the priest go to the pastor
doesn’t say Seek me and live isn’t that
what God Said to our people scattered
we’ve done a god bypass oh yeah I mean
look the Middle Ages the the Catholic
Church didn’t want people to have the
Bible in its own language uh you know to
this day people think well who am I to
understand the Bible I once talked to a
Yeshiva kid the you know religious
Jewish teenager and he said I can’t rely
on my own understanding you’re right I
have to ask the rabbi I said no God says
wherever you are scattered around the
world seek me and live so I I had to dig
into the scriptures on my own and I
honestly told God this I said if
traditional Judaism is right and
everything I believed up to now is wrong
and I have to leave the church leave my
friends leave my fiance I will do it to
follow you God but if Jesus is the
Messiah as I believe then I don’t care
what happens to me and what the Jewish
Community thinks about me I’m going to
follow you I want to follow you in your
truth regardless of the cost or
Consequences and see many people raised
religiously never pray that many people
who are raised in Tradition or they’re
just well we never believe it’s called
they don’t think for themselves they
don’t think for themselves look I I
don’t know listen we Jews we both happen
to be Jewish we Jews uh pride ourselves
if you will on thinking for ourselves in
every Arena life except one and that is
how come I don’t have intimacy with God
I follow what the rabbi said or I didn’t
you still don’t have intimacy with God
there’s something missing I’ll tell you
what’s missing Jesus it’s that simple
now Michael you wrote a book which is
wonderful it’s called what do Jewish
people think about Jesus and other
questions it’s sort of like every
question you’d like to go to your Rabbi
and ask and you don’t even have a rabbi
you’re not even Jewish but for instance
let’s take the New Testament if you read
the New Testament through Jewish eyes
will you get a different spin on it than
reading it through King James eyes oh
listen let’s just think of this if I say
Jesus Christ the son of Mary
that sounds very Catholic very Christian
very Gentile if I say Yeshua the Messiah
the Son of Miriam suddenly it sounds
different if I say Abraham Isaac and
James it’s like Oh no you’re mixing
religions no well in the New Testament
the letter of James or any of the
Apostles named James the Greek says
Jacob in in the days before King James
it got changed I document that right
there in the book and how we got from
Jacob why did they change and and
Gentile allies it rather than letting it
be a Jewish book it just it happened the
way it went from Greek into Latin into
English it just got changed so now it’s
the letter of James the servant of Jesus
Christ as opposed to the letter of Jacob
servant of Yeshua the Messiah suddenly
even those little cosmetic changes
things start to feel different as you
really realize wait wait this is not
some foreign book this is not some alien
book this breathes the very spirit that
was breathed by Moses and the prophets
when you read now Jesus Yeshua was
saying that that he he came to fulfill
what was written in Moses and the
prophets wait this makes and they called
him Rabbi not Reverend and and you know
what I find really interesting and great
confusion on the biblical festivals
versus the Christian festivals the
Sabbath on Saturday versus the Sabbath
on Sunday if you just understood your
Jewish roots you’d have good honest
answers to these questions and that’s
why Dr Brown wrote this book how many
years of research would you say went
into this it’s kind of a lifetime I just
put it together for this but these are
things I’ve studied on and off for
several decades we’re going to find out
what the real Sabbath is we’ll be right
back in a moment they’ll go away
we’ll be right back to It’s Supernatural
we now return to It’s Supernatural
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hello Sid Roth here with Dr Michael
Brown and we’re asking a very
controversial question I’m so glad you
decided to tune in the question is is
Saturday the Sabbath is Sunday the
Sabbath or is Monday the Sabbath Dr
Michael Brown you deal with it
brilliantly in this book but there are a
lot of Christians and Jews that are
confused on this issue help clarify I’ll
do it as simply as I can number one
there’s no biblical evidence that the
Sabbath was ever changed to Sunday
that’s the first thing wait a second if
you’re Baptist you would not agree with
you look I was just in an online
discussion with someone said there’s
clear New Testament evidence that we are
to worship on Sunday I challenged him he
was an articulate guy at the end he said
I overstated my position there is no
biblical evidence that the Sabbath was
changed to Sunday I understand people
celebrating the resurrection of Jesus I
understand that there may have been
early Christian Gatherings at the end of
the first century and Sunday morning or
Sunday even and that’s fine Romans 14
makes it clear that we have Liberty on
setting aside a day or not setting aside
a day we are not under the death penalty
for violating the Sabbath that doesn’t
hang over our head but in point of fact
the only Sabbath that was established it
was established at Creation in Genesis 2
according to the prophets it’s going to
be in the kingdom of God on Earth if
there’s going to be a Seventh-Day
Sabbath that never changed and therefore
Believers that want to celebrate the
Sabbath on the seventh day especially
Jewish Believers should not be
discouraged from doing it or being told
they’re being divisive on the on the
flip side are you wrong with God if you
celebrate on a Sunday as opposed to a
Saturday no because we have transcended
just a day and Jesus says this come to
me all you who labor and are heavy laden
and I will give you rest learn with me
take my yoke on you I’m Meek and Lothian
heart you’ll find rest for your souls in
other words ultimate Sabbath rest is not
found in a place it’s not found in a day
it’s found in a person and I I can
assure you no matter how wonderful
Sabbath is for traditional Jew finding
rest in Yeshua finding the burden of
your sins lifted off finding fellowship
and intimacy with God where you just
can’t wait to be with him and spend time
with him because he’s so wonderful I I
remember this Rabbi that knew me when I
first became a Believer when I would
just tell them things in my own life and
I don’t mean I have a miracle happening
every single day or I don’t go through
struggles or issues but just telling
them what God was doing in my life he
said Mike why is it it seems that God is
like your next door neighbor
well because he’s drawn near through
Jesus Mike I have a problem first of all
I have a a commercial advertisement from
our sponsor someone is or sponsors God
someone has just been healed if you move
your head you’ll see that pain you had
in your neck it is gone and if you and
actually the presence of God is moving
all the way down the spine anyone that
has a pain in your spine if you’ll just
move you’ll see that you are totally
healed but I have wait wait you’ve seen
God do that he just did it I’ve seen him
do it I have almost every time I speak
people are healed God people are healed
he’s a living God yeah I like I don’t
want to serve a dead God I don’t want to
serve tradition I don’t want to serve
religion I want to serve God look we
have evidence that our Messiah is risen
from the dead and we interact with the
Living God we are his servants he’s not
our servants but he has poured out his
blessings in his business and he loves
to demonstrate his reality and his power
Mike I have a pet peeve the spirit of
God is causing Gentile Christians to
love the Jew and love Israel that’s not
my peace but it’s a God thing it’s the
first time yes in centuries anything
ever really ever worldwide there is a
drawing towards the Jew so because
there’s this drawing they get together
Christians and Jews for ecumenical bless
Israelites with the agreement they won’t
have a Messianic Jew in the Forefront
with the agreement they won’t tell
Jewish people there’s no other name
given unto men in which we must be saved
I have a problem with this why don’t
they have a problem with this I don’t
get it well most of them are not Jewish
Believers in Jesus and they don’t have
that sensitivity and recognize hang on
we’ve been put out we’ve been rejected
we’ve been misunderstood for our
testimony from day one because that’s
what happens it does bring division when
you say Jesus is the Messiah it’s going
to bring division in the Jewish
Community I honor and appreciate the
love and and the heart for solidarity
but come on would you exclude Paul from
being there would you tell Peter he
couldn’t be there those were prominent
men Messianic Jews what if they’re
around today we’re not going to read
their words because that’s too divisive
are we not going to remind them that
Jesus if he’s not the Messiah of Israel
is not the Messiah of anyone I can’t
understand why you we can’t say this the
purpose of this meeting is not to
proselytize but of course the whole
family is going to be there it’s Jewish
Believers and Jesus and Gentile and of
course you know we want you to believe
in Jesus but this is not a proselytizing
meeting why why can’t you just say that
I don’t understand why they can’t be
said you honor Jewish people you’re not
just trying to set them up for some
conversionary experience or take
advantage of them but you want them to
know you know I love you enough then I
want to tell you the truth and without
Jesus there is no salvation listen if
hell is real and it is if sin separates
you from God and it does
you’re not being you’re not acting in
love you’re acting in hate if you don’t
tell everyone everywhere that there is
good news and the good news is not that
you have to die to go to heaven the good
news is you can experience God in this
life you can have intimacy with God you
can have peace you can have Shalom you
can have completeness you can have
fulfillment I mean life is a roller
coaster good bad good bad out
what about this if you’ll keep your eyes
on the Messiah he’ll keep you in perfect
peace what about my sheep hear my voice
what about no weapon formed against you
shall prosper what about with long life
I will satisfy you these are all
promises to those that have intimacy
with God there is no other name given
unto men in which we must be saved but
the name of Yeshua Jesus the Messiah and
if you tell God you’re sorry believe the
blood of Jesus washed away your sins
then ask him to live inside of you and
be your lord
he was not a man that he should lie
he’ll do it you do it now now
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