In this special episode of Conversations, we’re not only joined by our youngest son Arden to continue the conversation on his new book, we’re joined by all four of our boys and our daughter-in-love Christian!
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welcome to conversations with john and
lisa bevere and we have a special guest
with us today we have our
baby boy tallest son arden bevere and
we’re super excited
he has just written a book it’s just
come out called
redefined confronting the labels that
limit us whoa wait a minute that’s
subtitled we can’t just gloss over that
no
no we’re not going to gloss we’re going
to have and we’re going to have a full
couch
it’s so redefined confronting the labels
that limit us wow that’s a great
subtitle
we uh we’re just so glad you could join
us today oh it’s honored to be here i’m
excited to talk
yeah it’s gonna be crazy it’s going to
be different
we’re going to be talking over each
other because it’s not just going to be
the three of us which we already do that
with three people but it’s gonna be with
seven
people so i’m so excited we can’t wait
to dive into this message
get ready for the up of your mess
fortunately our family is way too big to
fit around any tables that we have so
we’re talking around this ottoman but
i’ve got the whole family here and we
are talking about labels
versus callings you know there’s a lot
of labels that we’ve talked about
um labels that have been spoken over
this generation that i want to
see flipped and i want to see redefined
and so i’m excited because i was able to
get my whole family
to have this conversation with me an
edited version
edited version yes edited version we’re
missing we’re missing we’re missing jess
and julie
but i was able to have my family be able
to grab some of these labels and kind of
put their own
input and their own message and
experience behind them so
who wants to start out who would you
like to start out well
addison how about oh wow yeah the oldest
brother
oldest brother can go for it yeah oh
yeah there we go
all my label is doubtful
doubtful and i think all of us have
grown up
as children of the postmodern world a
world that says there’s no such thing as
absolute truth
and it has created a lot of doubt in our
generation because we really don’t have
a north star because everything
is questioned and everything is
questionable it’s all suspect
no for me i’m one of those people who
asks why all the time
yes i mean y’all can attest that as my
parents like i would want to know why
about everything and that certainly
created doubt in me
because there are some things that we
just don’t know how to search out
there’s some things that we discover
with time and arn i love what you did in
this book you
flipped the script changed the label and
now you’re calling us we’re seekers
we’re seeking
and and i do i see a generation that is
in the process of deconstructing so many
things about
faith and culture but i also love how
you’re not just calling us to destroy or
deconstruct you’re also calling us to
reconstruct
and it’s really easy to be critical it’s
really easy to say hey that thing is
broken
and when you’re seeking you’re someone
who’s going out and saying what’s a
solution
yeah like how do we how do we do this
differently i’m not just going to be
critical of what has been i’m going to
do this differently
so i love that yeah you’re not just
throwing it out i think what i’ve seen a
lot from my generation is when we have
or we face a hard question we’re like
okay we just kind of concave to it we
don’t we don’t face the hard question at
face value and be like okay well i need
to discover the truth behind this and i
need to actually go and seek
and that’s why i picked seeking because
i felt like seeking is active
it’s hope filled like you know if you’re
playing hide and go seek like you’re the
seeker you’re like
you’re determined to find that person
and it’s very hope-filled and it’s like
you’re you’re not going to stop until
you find that person and that’s what i
want to see from our generation
rather when we hear things that might
contradict what we believe
rather than us just being like well that
contradicts it so i’m just going to
change my whole mindset we say no god
i’ve got this big question and i’m going
to bring it to your feet and i’m going
to believe that you’re big enough to
answer the question so
yeah i love that can i ask you a
question so
you’ve obviously awesome
when you are going from that uh the
process of doubting to seeking did you
find there is a place of fear
between the two oh absolutely i mean
anything you are afraid to doubt even
yeah anytime okay anytime you transition
from doubt
to this journey of seeking and also we
have to realize this isn’t binary
like this is constantly happening in our
lives in different ways
anytime you move into a place of wonder
there will be doubt
like the whole idea of the fear of god
which is the beginning of wisdom which
is the place of wonder
you’re entering into a zone a territory
that is beyond
your comprehension that takes you
somewhere that you haven’t been it’s
like paul the most brilliant theologian
systematically lays out god’s plan for
salvation
and then romans 11 he’s like oh the
depths of the rest of the riches and the
wisdom and the knowledge of god how
unsearchable his judgments and how
inscrutable his ways
it’s like at some point we come to that
place where it’s like god this is beyond
anything that i’m known
what i find awesome when i lean into
that journey of seeking
i don’t get all the answers but i get
enough answers to keep me hungry to keep
me going
and addison here’s the anchor of jesus
seek
and keep on seeking one sin now here’s
what jesus christ
himself says and you shall find yeah
yeah that’s
that’s our anger so in other words if
you’re fighting those doubts in that
time of seeking
jesus has promised us as long as you
keep seeking you will find we create
space
in our lives for him to give us more
answers and reveal more of who he is
when we speak
well i i mean i saw it in the book of
job awesome where it talks about like
job when he
goes and seeks god after he has all
those questions it’s that terrifying
experience for him of god
standing there in the violent storm and
just
questioning him being like who where
were you when all of these things were
happening
for me like for like three chapters and
job said i’ve
i’ve lived on you for only by rumors and
never again am i going to do that and so
yes i think it’s terrifying yes i think
we find answers but i think even job in
that situation there was more things
that came to his mind about god so
i love that yeah and can i add something
i love that you picked
the doubtful to seeking because doubtful
can have jaden
yeah it can have like i’m disappointed i
doubt things i don’t believe things
but seeking carries with it humility
it says i’m not there yet i don’t have
all of the answers but i am willing to
go on a journey
and i’m willing to actually be taught
i’m willing to talk to other people
and you will you will find it doesn’t
say you find right away
right it says you will find and so if we
have a posture of seeking
that’s a posture of humility that god
can pour his wisdom into
but when we have a posture of doubting
we get to the posture we’re like well i
have to see it to believe it and that’s
that’s not a seeker yeah that’s really
good yes i love that that’s awesome
well cool addison i get the popcorn all
right i’m gonna go with
mama linus okay well i love i love mine
is
lost lost and oopsie there is lost
it’s not the tv series uh that was about
the secretary
some of these people are old enough
and i do think that i’ve heard that
wrong
label put on this generation oh they’re
just lost they’ve lost the plot they
don’t know what they’re doing they can’t
figure out what they’re called to do
and and i love that the opposite of lost
isn’t necessarily in your in your
thought process
yeah you talked about focus and focus
would go right along with seeking
yeah and you know i’m i’m all about
focus being our superpower right now
um because i am easily distracted
and so when you don’t know where to look
you’re never going to find the right
thing
and i think we have a generation that is
seeking and looking and
they have a focus but i find
the reason why this generation one of
the reasons this generation needs to be
so focused is because there’s such an
onslaught of distraction and there’s so
many people
trying to tell them look over here be
this say this
look like this live like this or
and they’re they’re going to have to be
focused and we don’t focus
on ourselves or even on
what’s in front of us we focus on jesus
who is the author
and the finisher and i love how
the bible promises that we start in
and finish with god so we start in god
and we finish with him and so we have to
watch
jesus how he did everything so if jesus
is our focus
it isn’t that we’re going to the same
place it’s that we’re going to go there
the same way
yeah i love that yeah we’re going to see
what you tell me what like excited you
about focus
well yeah i mean i i think i think what
you just said about we’ve become so
distracted we’ve become distracted by
social media because by you know things
that we want to make a difference on we
become distracted by
you know whatever opinions that people
have of us
and what i wanted to see people is
exactly that is i wanted to see our
generation
to stop getting so distracted by you
know it could be even video games things
like that just things that are pulling
your distraction
and even your big life purpose and free
focus on god because as you keep your
focus on god i think
what i’ve said a lot to people is i
think a lot of people have
lost their purpose because they’ve lost
their original calling
and their original calling was first
before it was occupation or anything
like that which they
they think my purpose is so much
occupation i gotta figure that which it
is part of that but their first calling
was to be a son or a daughter of god
yeah
and i’m like they’ve lost their focus on
that and if we can refocus on being a
son or daughter of god
god is gonna orchestrate our steps he’s
going to take us down the right path
put us in the right careers all that
things but i want to see our generation
stop being so distracted by those things
yeah i i absolutely
i absolutely love that and you know what
one thing i’ve learned is people think
that if they
focus and edit their life that their
life is going to become
less but it actually becomes more
because being more
focused means that you will have a
better effect
yeah other than that all right so i get
to pick now you get to pick
okay i think i’m going to go for alec
all right
okay you’re making that face yeah i was
i was making that face excuse me
alec is always making that face i don’t
know what you’re talking about
um so my word is actually entitled
um entitled so art and i think this is a
great word and
this is a word that i think can be very
misunderstood
but a lot of times entitled is basically
i think one step down from being
offended um a lot of people they say
entitled is basically they basically use
it in the way of like oh well you’re
entitled
to that feeling oh yeah you went through
that so you’re entitled to now do that
you’re actually entitled to actually now
feel that it’s almost vital to your own
truth
exactly it’s it’s almost um like i said
it’s like one step down from an offense
and so one person who i actually
love in the bible um he’s in the book of
daniel and his
name is daniel wow and i know yeah and
so yeah
i don’t know please fact check that out
but anyways daniel
um i think he was someone who who could
have been easily entitled to his
own feelings of being upset of his own
feelings
or or his own uh being justified
basically in in his actions because
daniel he was somebody
who was you know taken away from his
family taken away from his nation
he was um stripped of
things um on his body uh he was made
into
a unit yeah he was stripped of his
legacy i mean he can’t have children i
mean you guys that is
that’s crazy and on top of that that
needs to work for the person who
actually
did that to him so he was entitled to
easily
slap to be lazy to not go all
out but no he was a man who chose to
actually become
one of the greatest men in the kingdom
and so
yeah he became an advisor for that man
and he actually became
the second greatest man in the country
and how did he do that
well we all know in the bible he goes
and he sits down three times a day
and it doesn’t just say that he prays he
actually goes and he gives thanks
he is that’s good grateful you know and
so
so so the way to break down entitlement
i feel like
is to really be great
and the the way to become grateful is
it’s so great it’s being
thankful i mean the god’s word says we
enter into his courts with thanksgiving
and praise right and so we need to look
for those times that god is actually
moving in our lives
we need to look for those areas that we
can actually be grateful for and that’s
how we actually get into god’s presence
and that’s how we actually rip that
title off of us come on you know can i
can i make a point
please the opposite of grateful is
complaining so a person who feels
entitled is going to be quick to
complain yeah and that’s why i believe
philippians says do all things without
complaining
why god showed me a prayer one day that
do you remember when we were first
married we went to six flags over texas
and they had a big water park
do you remember that 90 foot high slide
and it took us about a minute to climb
those stairs do you remember how fast we
went down that slide for like
two seconds or less right yeah well god
said to me
one day i was praying and he said giving
thanks is like
climbing stairs and he said complaining
is like going down the slide
so if we don’t maintain a grateful
attitude we’ll begin to feel entitled
which will lead us to complaining which
will push us down the slide pretty fast
so we digress in our spiritual progress
quickly
yeah so um outstanding example dan yeah
i love it that’s amazing
yeah well i mean i remember i i you guys
all watched me deal with entitlement
pretty pretty bad when uh when i was
working
they all said what i don’t remember that
yeah i mean
yeah lots of don’t do a lot laptops laps
with matt and addison
but but yeah i mean i i remember that
was the big thing was
i great gratitude was when i went away
and i
i got to see from a distance all the
amazing things that
you guys were all doing and the ministry
was accomplishing and how
just complaining i was like how just i
was so entitled during that season and i
remember i had that phone call with you
and i said mom i feel like i’m supposed
to come back home and you said no
nothing’s changed you’re like nothing
like there’s no new opportunities
nothing’s changed nothing’s different
and i remember i just said back to you
it said
mom i said i’ve changed yeah that was
the only thing that needed to change
it’s so good so that’s just like
a pause break nothing’s changed
nope mama i’ve been playing that’s the
other thing
and that was stupid that was the only
thing that did need to change it was it
was
that’s what entitlement will do is it
will take your focus off of the all the
amazing things that was going on and
that can be done
like daniel like you said daniel is in
this kingdom and daniel could have been
like well i’m entitled all these things
i’ve i’ve been stripped of all this
stuff
and he could have missed out on what was
actually accomplished through
um babylon like all the things that
that’s
you know the kings and all the kings
that he advised with starting
nebuchadnezzar and
absolutely uh i just think he could have
missed out on that
alex you want to hand it off to either
christian austin or dad
you know what i want to give it to uh jb
yes he did trick me he stared in my eyes
whoever he’s not looking at the word i
i was uh assigned here or i actually
chose this one
label of fearful and i think if there’s
ever a generation that
deserves to be fearful it’s this one
with what’s happening in our world today
but let me tell you something
fearfulness will not
help you it will actually paralyze you
and um i want to share a story that
god made it really clear to me why his
people fear
i was actually in fear i was speaking in
a city and i just got done with the
service
i came back to my room and the thoughts
start bombarding my mind
so and so is a great minister he buried
three of his children
so-and-so is a great minister his son
was electrocuted and killed
so-and-so is a great minister his son
died and i mean they start hitting me
where are your
machine guns yeah whoa and i remember i
started getting so scared for your guys
lives
and i was trembling in that room and the
holy spirit spoke to me and he said son
any area you fear in you still own it
wow
he said you haven’t put it under the
cross
and all of a sudden i realized wow i’m
not big enough to protect these boys but
god is
and i’ll never forget i only had one
shoe off it was pretty funny i can still
remember this
i jumped up off the bed where i was
taking my first shoot off
and i screamed out as loud as i could
addison he’s not
mine i said austin he’s not mine i said
arden he’s not
mine or alec he’s not mine
you were born
and i said god they’re yours i’m a
steward over them i don’t care what you
want to do with them you could take them
halfway around the world you can take
them to heaven whenever you want
and then i screamed as loud as i could
and i said devil you’re never killing
them they belong to jesus
and guys i got to be honest with you
i’ve never feared for your life since
never not once not even once and what
about when alec and i went shark fishing
uh you know
just reminding god that i had already
given them to you but but the word
we just reminded him of that word and
that’s how we were able to go
but the word that replaces fearful is
the fear of god
now here’s where i really want to make
clear to this generation the fear of god
does not mean to be scared of god when
israel came out of egypt god was so
excited to meet israel
he said moses get them ready he comes
down on the mountain the people scream
run
off they said we can’t handle god’s
presence moses made a statement in
exodus 20 20.
here’s your 2020 vision he said do not
fear because god’s come to test you to
see if his fear is in you so that you
may not
sin now it sounds like he just
contradicted himself do not fear because
god’s come to see if his fear is in you
so that you
won’t sin what he’s doing is
differentiating between being scared of
god in the fear of the lord
the person who is scared of god has
something to hide they haven’t given
everything to god
a person who fears god has nothing to
hide
okay so the fear of god is to be
terrified of being away from him
and the best example of of this that we
see in the bible
because you’ll serve who you fear if you
fear man you’ll serve man you fear god
you’ll serve god but you look at
solomon solomon had the fear of the lord
and therefore he had as
you said addison or alec great wisdom
built a phenomenal kingdom but he lost
his fear of god
and i believe the book of ecclesiastics
yeah is put in that ecclesiastes is put
in the bible
to show you what happens when a person
loses the fear of god well what what
happens with psalm he comes
jaded cynical what goes around comes
around
life is worth it that’s true you know
that’s true that’s italian
okay but it’s what’s in it
but the whole book is just a guy that’s
lost
his his passion for life he’s cynical
he’s jaded now a lot of young people
are cynical and jaded because they
really didn’t experience the real
fear of the lord in church growing up
that’s good and so but what happens at
the very end
chapter 12 go read it solomon gets this
fear of god back and he starts saying
i got it back by remembering everything
god did i mean all if all you have to do
is remember that you’ve been delivered
from the devil’s hell forever and ever
and ever
that jesus gave his life to you that’s
all you need
and so what happens is he comes to the
conclusion he said i don’t care if
you’re young i don’t care if you’re old
but please do it while you’re young he
said
fear god and always keep his
commandments so the fear of the lord
because you’re terrified
of being away from god you passionately
desire to keep his community
yeah i mean you and addison always have
you guys have both taught me some
just such an amazing understanding of
the fear of god
and that was something that i wanted to
make sure i talked about in this book
because i’ve not heard it talked about
in our generation and i think that’s why
we do
we’re swayed by the things of this world
so much because we fear the world
we still allow the world to be our
master rather than god being our master
and i love the quote i was talking about
the other day of just the quote that i
actually put in the book where it talked
about reducing
god to the world’s equal and he said
when we reduce god to the world’s equal
we think that god’s whole role is just
to balance out the world
he says we give the world unwarranted
power he said how different is this than
what it says in scripture where god is
far scarier and more powerful than the
world and so just coming to this
understanding of how much
god is in control and how we have to
fear him and when we fear god we lose
the fear of the world
like the fear of the world is a latitude
a fear of man is eradicated from our
life so
i was always so thankful for you too mom
you taught me to of course but it’s okay
dad wrote a book on it
actually three books but anyway it’s my
turn to get to
yeah well it’s it’s it’s my passion uh
so here’s the way i feel christian’s
your gorgeous wife she should be
she should be the conclusion
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so the label that i chose was
discouraged
and um i think if anybody has lived at
all they have a chance to be discouraged
and uh discouragement usually comes from
when there’s something in life that
doesn’t quite go our way or we
experience a setback
and uh i think for me i often times
think about
movies and how quickly we see someone
achieve something they want normally in
an hour and a half or two hours you’re
like
sweet i’m gonna pursue my dreams and go
after stuff
but sometimes things just don’t go the
way we expect them to
and um i think when we have we’re in
that place where things aren’t going
right
we do have a chance to stay discouraged
we have a chance to be hopeful and i
love that word hopeful i was taught it’s
the confident expectation
uh for good by you dad and just that’s
what we put that’s what we put our faith
in like a confident expectation of good
and so
i’ve realized in my life the best times
when i face discouragement or the chance
to be discouraged
i just i know when i do it right i’m
like
something good is going to come from
this i can’t explain why
but something good is going to come from
this and pretty much
every single time i’ve done that
something great comes from it
whether it’s a couple moments later a
day later
a month later sometimes it takes like a
year for me to realize hey i was in this
valley
but i see now why it was worth it and so
i love that whenever we face things in
life it’s not
final like no matter what it’s never
final
and for whatever reason this quote came
to mind when i saw these words
discouraged and hopeful
um there’s a boxer who’s an italian his
name’s vinnie i don’t remember his last
name but
this reporter asked him a question he
said um he said
uh the reporter asked what was the
biggest lie you ever told
and uh vinnie said it’s not that simple
and she’s like what’s not that simple
and he’s like no that’s the biggest
slide i was ever told it’s not that
simple
and when i when i heard that i was just
like man that is so good sometimes we we
hit
really tough situations it’s us where
things were
times where we can be so discouraged and
just focus on that
but the fact is is that we have an
amazing god who no matter
where we’re at will see us through it
and that gives me reason to be hopeful
through anything and so when like i that
quote comes to my mind almost
daily of um it’s like that it’s not that
simple and it’s just it’s a lie
like god has given us so many reasons
to hope and so that’s that’s kind of my
summation of the two
is we’re not called to be discouraged
there’s going to be a place for it
like but we have the ability to pick
ourselves up and be like now god has
given me the chance to be hopeful can i
ask you a question
i’m sure many people are wondering or
have thought watching this family
because when i think i’m discouraged
i can think of comparison so have you
ever had a time with your brothers
that you might have thought oh you know
addison’s doing this alex doing this
that you’ve had to overcome like
comparison with the discouragement i
wouldn’t say i can i like i don’t
compare myself much with my brothers i
compare myself with
bigger no sorry no not bigger like with
with like
sports athletes or celebrities or stuff
like that where i’m like man
i’m not i’m not doing a whole lot with
my life and honestly another thing
that uh and this is kind of another
thing i was thinking about with
discouragement is sometimes
discouragement is a good thing for a
time period to be like
you know what something’s not working
and sometimes discouragement is a good
indicator of hey something needs to
shift
and you have to be brave enough to
follow that shift
if that makes sense and that’s where the
hope comes from of hey
something else is going to come from it
but i have to be brave enough to
go after that thing i’m hoping for so i
was listening to
kurt cur our friend kurt uh that we were
up in wyoming with i was listening to
him
yeah him and how he started his company
and he talked about how many times he
failed and i remember
i was talking to one of my friends who
had listened to the same podcast where
he talked about his whole journey and
he’s like
yeah i don’t think i would have been
able to fail that many times and kurt
just like you said austin every time he
failed he said
okay i’m still hopeful in the process so
hopeful in god and that’s that was
actually his big things he said i was
always hopeful in god that he was gonna
bring the the solution to our business
and what i needed to but he said every
time we failed i saw it as an
opportunity just to shift things and
just continue that and that’s what i
talked about in the book
it going back to your you know quote of
it’s not that simple is
i mean i’ve made it i tried to make it
super simple and i was like is this too
simple where i just talked about our
hope has to be in god that’s it
like that’s just as good as god of hope
yeah and that that’s romans 15. yeah we
can’t we can’t place it in
in you know in the things of this world
because these things of the world are
going to let us down but as we put
the things in our hope and the things
that’s eternal
then they’re going to stay in that and
to put a cap on
kurt’s story for those of you don’t know
who we’re talking about he has now one
of the most successful businesses
in the united states of america correct
yeah all through all through failure
as he has he framed yeah so i mean an
amazing story
well austin you want to popcorn it too
who could it be
lauren christian oh wow surprise yeah
that was a surprise to all of us mom
so the label that i picked was regretful
and i think you may know this when we
were going through the chapters
this is the one that had the furthest
distance of
the start and the finish line for me it
just i mean it made sense that it was a
bad label
but i didn’t see how to get past it how
to get to that
that place of god’s calling within
regret and
i just remember i mean coming into the
vivir family
and coming into a family that was doing
things you know for god that was in
unison for me it was
you know i i know i’m healed i know i’ve
learned from my mistakes but i still
regret them like i wish i could come in
with
the perfect track record and you know
you were so sweet about assuring me that
that’s not why you were marrying me but
in your mind for whatever reason it
still comes up you still wish
i wish i wouldn’t have gone through that
but for me
um the calling that you associated with
it did really come
to be a source of strength in that
season and that was awakened
for me i kind of awakened to what regret
could do
um for a long time it was just gosh why
did i do that you know the
the things you say to yourself in the
mirror when no one’s around i’m like
gosh you’re so stupid
or like how did you not know better how
could i have done that
it those voices begin to silence when i
awakened to
realizing what that meant and for me it
meant god was so gracious
he was so strong he was so courageous to
come after someone that had messed up
that didn’t have the perfect track
record and i just remember
driving in our car one day when we were
engaged and i think you’ve heard the
story a couple times so sorry you’re
hearing it again but
as we were driving and i was sitting
there talking to god and i was like god
arden should have married like some
blonde cute girl that has never sinned
in her life like she would there’s no
better there’s
no there’s no such thing you ruined my
talent maybe lisa was in the back when i
was talking to god but yeah
i just remember telling god i was like
arden should have married this blonde
girl that had never sinned before
and he just really graciously dealt with
me and he said christian there’s no such
thing
like tell me someone that’s never messed
up tell me someone that’s never sinned
and i realized i couldn’t and it’s
because we all come from this place of
the things we’ve done wrong
we have to awaken to you know i i have
failed i have fallen short but i
but i realize now i’m awakened to god’s
glory working within me
and for me it was kind of a a two-fold
of like man i’m actually really blessed
not only am i getting this
this amazing future these things these
promises that god wants to give to me
and everyone that’s watching
but i also know in a deeper level how
much god does care for me
and i think that’s something that our
generation needs to get better at doing
is awakening to
yes i’ve made mistakes yes i’m going to
own that i’m going to walk in that
but i’m also awakening to where god
wants to put me
yeah regret doesn’t have to keep us
where we are we can awaken to where
we’re going
yeah well i love that that scripture
talks about is it corinthians right
where it talks about
godly sorrow versus worldly sorrows yeah
the second second corinthians yeah so
where it talks about it
talks about how the the worldly sorrow
leads to death and
godly sorrow leads to life and i love
like when we get awakened
to life when we navigate sorrow and
regret
in the correct way we get awakened to
the life that god has for us and it
doesn’t mean that it eradicates what
happened
it’s a understanding of the beauty
beautiful mercy that god has in store
for us
and i think i’ve seen too many people
that have allowed regret just to
be that final like final point in their
story
like they just have not moved past it
they base all of their decisions
back off of you know their past regrets
or their past mistakes and all that
stuff
rather than coming awakened to it with
this new life of
understanding a new life of of okay
this is what i did wrong in that
situation and i’m going to adjust and
move forward and kind of coming to that
realization i think is
is so powerful because i think that’s
that’s what your testimony is and i
think there’s power
there’s so much power to that can i add
something to that you know
i think that david experienced regret oh
yeah
you know actually that’s who i wrote
about oh good awesome
but i love what he said he says cleanse
me yeah
and i will be clean sometimes when you
have regret in your life you don’t feel
clean
but you say if you cleanse me i will be
clean
and then he doesn’t say i’m just gonna
leave it there and maybe hide
the fact that i’ve messed up and he’s
but he goes on and he redeems it yeah
and when we redeem it he says and then
will i teach
transgressors your ways and so we take
what’s regret
and we awaken to the righteousness of
god
and the need of others yeah when we
redeem it well that’s what i love about
that story of david so much
is that you see david’s process as soon
as he realized he did something wrong
he didn’t care anything about what
people said about him he fell on his
face
and then he does everything that he can
to try to change
god’s mind and when god’s you know
verdict the
the repercussions is final he gets up
and he goes straight into the temple and
worships god
and then goes eats and his advisors are
like well why are you why are you
acting this way and he said well when
the when the child was still alive i
could do something about it he said no
it’s not then
he said all i can do is just praise god
and i thought that was so amazing of him
understanding like when we navigate
those situations
like just coming to this place of not
cursing god or not
not being mad at god and not dwelling on
that but going and rejoicing
and worshiping god and then when you
have come to that place of hey
what’s done is done like just move
forward and i thought it was so
astonishing to his advisors that he
handled it that way that
he was like they were like well how did
you move on so fast how did you get over
this so fast and he just understood
so that’s awesome anything else you guys
want to add on or share
no we’re just excited about this book
this message
and really believing that it’s going to
impact a lot of lives yeah well i’m glad
i’m glad you guys added this
voice to it because i think every single
one of these labels and i even talked
about with people
and this is why we’ve been doing so many
different things with other people is
everyone’s story is so unique and
there’s been different labels that
been placed on them that they’ve had to
navigate and go through
and these were the labels that i’ve had
to walk through and i felt like i could
speak to
um through personal experiences and so
adding all of your guys’s voices into it
means the world so
thank you guys so much um guys this is
really my heart cry
for uh my generation is to see our
generation redefining the narrative that
we’re not no longer going to
think you know hey we’ve been dealt a
bad hand and that’s too bad we’re just
going to deal with it
no that we’re going to redefine the way
that this generation will be known i
really want to see this generation be
known as sons
and daughters of god sons and daughters
of god meaning that we are people
that are truly transforming the world
that is around us that we’re
not being bended to what the world’s
will or what the world’s identity is for
us but we are called by god and we live
in that inheritance so
guys thank you so much for joining us i
hope this spoke to you i know it spoke
to us
and i know it spoke to me and so i’m
glad we got to have this conversation
but thank you so much and we’ll see you
soon
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