If you answered yes, today’s podcast is just for you! In this episode, the girls divulge some super usable, everyday steps and practices that will help you keep your head in a healthy space, no matter what you’re walking through. Whether you’re dealing with constant anxiety and worry, struggling with bitter thoughts toward someone who hurt you, or just fighting more negative thinking than normal, God’s Word has the hope and answers you need.

ERIN: YOU NEED TO BE ABLE
TO TALK TO SOMEBODY, ‘CUZ LIKE,

IT DID, IT TOOK THE POWER AWAY.

IT’S SO AMAZING WHEN YOU SAY
STUFF OUT LOUD THAT,

THAT POWER OF WHAT’S
RACING IN HERE, DIMINISHES.

GINGER: IT CHANGES
YOUR THOUGHTS.

JAI: IT’S SO CRAZY,
HOW CHRISTIANS–

A LOT OF CHRISTIANS TEND TO FEEL
LIKE THAT’S A BAD THING.

[MUSIC]

GINGER: WE’LL HI, FRIENDS!

COME ON, IN HERE!

PERFECT TIMING BECAUSE
THIS IS JOYCE MEYER’S

TALK IT OUT PODCAST,
WHERE JOYCE TEACHES THE WORD

OF GOD IN HER WONDERFUL,
PRACTICAL, NO-NONSENSE WAY.

AND MY LOVELY FRIENDS AND I–
OH, THAT WAS SUCH A FLOURISH.

JAI: [LAUGHING]
ERIN: THANK YOU.

GINGER: WE TALK ABOUT
THE REAL STUFF OF LIVING IT,

AND WE DON’T HOLD ANYTHING BACK.

I’M GINGER STACHE
WITH ERIN CLULEY, AND JAI,

THREE FRIENDS,
WHO ARE ALL IN VERY

DIFFERENT STAGES OF LIFE,
BUT WE UNDERSTAND THE VALUE

OF HAVING FABULOUS, HONEST,
LOVING WOMEN AROUND YOU.

AND WHEN WE NEED
A LITTLE EXTRA HELP,

WE TALK TO MS. JOYCE
AND SHE IS ON THE SPOT,

ANYTIME WE NEED HER.

BECAUSE SOMETIMES,
YOU JUST HAVE TO TALK ABOUT

LIFE WITH YOUR GIRLFRIENDS.

SO, COME ON IN HERE,
CONSIDER YOURSELF ONE OF US,

AND LET’S TALK IT OUT TOGETHER.

ERIN: COME ON IN,
LET’S DO IT.

JAI: ♪ COME ON IN ♪
DO YOU REALIZE WE ALWAYS–

WHENEVER SHE DOES LIKE,
THE INTRO LIKE, WE LOOK AT EACH

OTHER AND WE KINDA SMILE.

ERIN: YEAH.

JAI: IT’S LIKE A THING.

ERIN: IT’S OUR MOMENT.

JAI: WE KINDA LIKE,
FLIRT WITH EACH OTHER

A LITTLE BIT.

WE ALWAYS LOOK AT EACH OTHER,
WE DO THIS…

ERIN: SOMETIMES, I WINK.

JAI: [LAUGHING] I DON’T KNOW
IF SHE’S SPAZZING OR WHAT.

ERIN: I DON’T WINK
AT YOU THOUGH, I DON’T WANNA

MESS YOU UP.

JAI: I THINK THAT’S
THE BIGGEST THING.

WE TRY NOT TO LOOK AT–
GINGER: IT DOESN’T,

SO, YEAH.

JAI: “IT NEVER MESSES ME UP.”
GINGER: IT’S NOT THAT

I NEVER MESS UP,
IT’S THAT I MESS MYSELF UP…

[LADIES LAUGHING]

GINGER: MORE THAN
EXTERNAL THINGS.

BUT, YOU KNOW, THAT’S WHAT
WE’RE TALKIN’ ABOUT TODAY.

ERIN: IT’S REALLY
A GOOD THING.

GINGER: WE’RE TALKING ABOUT
OUR THOUGHTS TODAY AND HOW OUR

MIND CAN DO CRAZY THINGS TO US.

ERIN: SO CRAZY.

SO, TRUE.

GINGER: IT’S SO TRUE,
ISN’T IT?

IF THERE’S ANYTHING,
THAT TRIPS US UP THE MOST,

IT IS THE WAY WE THINK
ABOUT THINGS.

SO, WE’RE TALKING ABOUT WHAT
JOYCE HAS BEEN TEACHING US ALL,

FOR A LONG, LONG TIME,
“BATTLEFIELD OF THE MIND,”

IS HER NUMBER ONE SELLER,
AND OF COURSE,

IT’S BECAUSE IT’S DIRECTLY
WHAT GOD’S WORD IS SAYING

ABOUT REPLACING THOSE CRAZY
THOUGHTS WITH THE WORD OF GOD.

AND I THINK THERE’S A LOT
OF HOW-TO QUESTIONS.

SO, IT’S A LOT OF FUN
STUFF TO TALK ABOUT.

IT’S A GOOD CONCEPT;
“HOW DO I MAKE IT WORK?”

I THINK THERE’S A LOT OF, LIKE,
“IF I THINK THIS,

I SHOULD DO THIS, INSTEAD,”
THINGS THAT I THINK WILL

BE FUN FOR US TO TALK ABOUT.

KEEP IT REALLY PRACTICAL
FOR ALL OF US.

BECAUSE WHEN YOU TALK
ABOUT YOUR FEELINGS,

IT’S–REALLY COMES FROM
YOUR THOUGHTS, RIGHT?

A LOT OF AT TIMES, WE THINK,
“WELL THIS IS–

THIS IS HOW I FEEL,”
WHICH IS REAL AND VALID,

BUT WE CAN SEE GOD DO SOMETHING
IN THAT BY CHANGING THE WAY

WE’RE THINKING ABOUT IT.

JAI: YEAH, EVERYTHING STARTS
UP HERE.

GINGER: IT DOES.

JAI: EVERYTHING.

LIKE, YOU DON’T EVEN KNOW
THAT YOU’RE FEELING ANYTHING

UNTIL YOU THINK ABOUT THAT
YOU’RE FEELING SOMETHING.

SO, IT ALL–LIKE,
WHEN YOU THINK ABOUT THAT

VERY FACT THAT EVERYTHING
STARTS UP HERE.

ERIN: EVERYTHING.

JAI: EVERYTHING,
THAT’S WHY–I MEAN,

IT MAKES SENSE THAT,
THAT’S ONE OF THE THINGS THAT

REALLY CATAPULTED, YOU KNOW,
LIKE, THE JOYCE MEYER MINISTRY–

THE BOOKS.

LIKE, THE THING THAT HAS
HELPED ME SO MUCH

IS EVEN THE “BATTLEFIELD
OF THE MIND BIBLE” THAT IS LIKE,

BECAUSE IT’S LIKE–
THE WAY THAT JOYCE EVEN BREAKS

DOWN ALMOST EVERY SCRIPTURE
AND TIES IT INTO HOW WE THINK.

AND HOW WE CAN THINK,
FOR THE REST OF THE DAY,

AFTER WE READ THAT,
IT’S JUST–

IT’S HELPED ME SO, SO MUCH.

SO, IT’S SUCH A POWERFUL TOPIC,
BECAUSE EVERYTHING

STARTS UP HERE.

ERIN: I GREW UP WITH
THE “BATTLEFIELD OF THE MIND,”

BEING JUST LIKE,
A BIG–IT WAS A BIG PART

OF MY PARENTS’ LIFE.

MY DAD, ESPECIALLY, HE JUST–
THAT CHANGED HIS LIFE.

SO, I GREW UP HEARING ABOUT IT.

AND SO, I JUST THOUGHT,
“OH, THAT’S, THAT REALLY COOL

BOOK WITH THAT CHESS PIECE
ON THE COVER OF IT.”

AND SO, NOT TILL A COUPLE
YEARS AGO, DID IT CLICK.

AND SO, YOU KNOW,
WHEN JOYCE SAYS–

GINGER: NOW, WAIT A MINUTE.

YOU WORKED HERE FOR
A LONG TIME, STILL A COUPLE

YEARS AGO [LAUGHING].

ERIN: I WAS ACTUALLY,
REALLY HOPING YOU, MAYBE,

YOU DIDN’T NOTICE THAT,
THAT’S WHAT I SAID.

[LADIES LAUGHING]

ERIN: I WAS GONNA TALK REALLY
FAST SO WE COULD GO OVER THAT

“A COUPLE OF YEARS AGO.”
GINGER: YOU JUST MADE

THE CONNECTION, “WAIT A MINUTE.

SHE’S THE ONE THAT WROTE
THE CHESS PIECE BOOK.”

JAI: WHO KNEW?

ERIN: NO, NO.

I KNEW WHEN I STARTED
WORKING HERE, SHE WROTE IT.

I DIDN’T FULLY UNDERSTAND THE–
LIKE WHAT THAT MEANT.

AND SO, IT WAS A COUPLE
YEARS AGO THAT,

THE PHRASE THAT JOYCE SAYS,
“THINK ABOUT,

WHAT YOU’RE THINKING ABOUT,”
LIKE, I’VE HEARD HER SAY THAT

FOR A LONG TIME, BUT IT CLICKED.

AND I REMEMBER THINKING,
“OH MY GOSH,

I CAN THINK ABOUT WHAT
I’M THINKING ABOUT.”

AND IT WAS LIKE, MINDBLOWER.

JAI: YEAH, IT’S ONE OF THOSE
THINGS THAT IT’S JUST LIKE,

“OH, WAIT, I CAN THINK ABOUT
WHAT I’M THINKING ABOUT.”

GINGER: YEAH AND CHANGE IT.

JAI: AND ACTUALLY CHANGE IT,
YEAH.

ERIN: AND THEN, IT DOES.

IT AFFECTS–
I MEAN, YOU CAN DO THAT FOR

EVERY SINGLE PART OF YOUR LIFE.

LIKE, I CAN THINK ABOUT WHAT
I’M THINKING ABOUT WITH

MY RELATIONSHIPS;
AS A PARENT, AS AN EMPLOYEE,

AS A–
LIKE EVERYTHING, YEAH.

GINGER: I DON’T KNOW
IF THERE’S ANYTHING

THAT CHANGES THE OUTWARD
THINGS THAT YOU’RE DEALING

WITH MORE THAN CHANGING
THE WAY YOU THINK ABOUT THEM.

THE SITUATION MAY BE THE SAME,
BUT IF I START TO CHANGE

THE WAY I’M THINKING ABOUT IT,
THEN IT DOES SEEM LIKE

IT PHYSICALLY CHANGES.

AND SOMETIMES, IT DOES ‘CUZ
GOD WORKS THAT WAY,

BECAUSE IT’S HIS WORD.

AND I THINK THAT’S
REALLY IMPORTANT.

WE’RE NOT JUST TALKING
ABOUT HAPPY THOUGHTS.

WE’RE NOT JUST TALKING
ABOUT BEING POSITIVE.

ALTHOUGH, THOSE ARE
GREAT THINGS.

BUT WHEN YOU ADD
THE WORD OF GOD INTO THIS,

IT HAS A LEVEL THAT’S JUST
LIKE A ROCKET GOING OFF.

IT JUST CHANGES SO MUCH.

ERIN: YEAH.

JAI: IT TOTALLY CHANGES
THE WAY YOU PERCEIVE IT.

BECAUSE THERE’S A LOT OF THINGS
IN OUR LIVES THAT, OF COURSE,

WE HAVE NO CONTROL OVER IT.

THERE’S CERTAIN THINGS–
GINGER: TOO MANY.

ERIN: THAT WOULD
BE ALL OF IT.

JAI: AND THAT’S THE THING
THAT I’VE FOUND MYSELF THINKING

ABOUT A LOT IS LIKE,
“OH, I WISH I HAD

CONTROL OVER IT,”
OR I TRY TO CONTROL

THE SITUATION VERSUS THINKING
ABOUT THE FACT THAT I’M THINKING

ABOUT THAT SAYING,
“HEY, I CAN’T CONTROL IT,

I NEED TO GIVE IT TO THE LORD,”
AND I CAN CHANGE THE WAY I LOOK

AT IT AND I CAN JUST CHANGE THE—
LIKE, BY USING THE WORD

AND USING THE AUTHORITY
THAT HE’S GIVEN ME,

TO ACTUALLY, CONTROL,
AND THINK ON THE THINGS

THAT I’M SUPPOSED TO THINK ON,
IT REALLY CAN EVEN JUST CHANGE

YOUR WHOLE MOOD AND YOUR
WHOLE OUTLOOK ON THAT

SPECIFIC LIKE, SITUATION.

GINGER: YEAH, ABSOLUTELY.

SO, LET’S JUMP RIGHT
IN AND START BY JOYCE TELLING

US HOW ALL OF THIS BEGINS,
WHAT “BATTLEFIELD OF THE MIND”

MEANS AND HOW WE CAN
CHANGE THE WAY WE THINK.

JOYCE: PROBABLY OUR MIND
GIVES US MORE TROUBLE

THAN ANYTHING.

YOU KNOW WHY THAT IS?

BECAUSE THE MIND IS THE
BATTLEGROUND THAT SATAN COMES

AND ATTACKS US ON.

THUS, THE BOOK THAT I WROTE,
“THE BATTLEFIELD OF THE MIND.”

IF YOU CAN WIN THE BATTLE IN
YOUR MIND, THEN YOU CAN WIN

THE BATTLE FOR LIFE.

WHERE THE MIND GOES THE MAN
FOLLOWS.

SO, AN OBEDIENT MIND WILL LEAD
TO AN OBEDIENT LIFE.

A DISOBEDIENT MIND WILL LEAD
TO A DISOBEDIENT LIFE.

SO, IF YOU MADE A DECISION
LAST NIGHT OR AT ANY TIME IN

YOUR LIFE, “I WANT TO NOT JUST
BE A CHRISTIAN, I WANT TO BE

AN OBEDIENT CHRISTIAN.

I WANT TO BE A CHILD OF GOD
WHO WANTS TO DO WHAT’S RIGHT

AND DOES WHAT’S RIGHT
AND GLORIFIES GOD.

I DON’T WANT TO BE MEDIOCRE
AND COMPROMISING AND JUST

SEE WHAT ALL I CAN GET BY WITH
AND HOPE I CAN STILL SNEAK IN

THE BACK DOOR OF HEAVEN.

I WANT TO LOVE GOD WITH MY
WHOLE HEART AND DO IT RIGHT.”

AND, I’M SURE THAT MOST OF YOU
HAVE MADE THAT DECISION.

BUT, A LOT OF TIMES PEOPLE
MAKE THAT DECISION BUT IT

NEVER HAPPENS FOR THEM BECAUSE
ALTHOUGH, THEY MADE A GOOD

DECISION AND THEY HAVE A GOOD
DESIRE, THEY NEVER CHANGE

THEIR MIND.

THEY STILL THINK JUNK.

THEY HAVE STINKIN’ THINKIN’
AND ANYTIME WE HAVE STINKIN’

THINKIN’ WE’RE GONNA HAVE
A STINKIN’ LIFE, SO…

AMEN.

IS THAT RIGHT?

SO, THE DEVIL CONSTANTLY
ATTACKS OUR THOUGHTS AND,

BUT BELIEVE IT OR NOT,
IN THE BEGINNING, IF YOU FIRST

START TRYING TO COOPERATE
WITH THE SPIRIT OF GOD TO THINK

RIGHT THINGS YOU ARE GONNA FEEL
LIKE YOU’RE IN A BATTLE FROM

DAYLIGHT TILL DARK.

AND, YOU JUST GET SO TIRED
OF FIGHTING THE ENEMY ALL DAY,

YOU DON’T HARDLY KNOW
WHAT TO DO.

BUT, I CAN TELL YOU,
IF YOU STAND YOUR GROUND,

IT GETS BETTER, AND BETTER,
AND BETTER, AND BETTER,

AND BETTER.

AND, YOU KNOW, ALTHOUGH,
MY MIND STILL GETS ATTACKED,

THERE’S ALWAYS THINGS THAT THE
ENEMY’S SUGGESTING TO MY MIND,

BUT AFTER ALL THESE YEARS
NOW IN PRACTICE, I MEAN,

I RECOGNIZE THEM REALLY QUICKLY
AND IT’S NOT THAT DIFFICULT AT

ALL TO JUST SAY, “NOPE, I’M
NOT GOING THERE.

I’VE BEEN THERE, I’VE DONE THAT,
I KNOW WHAT IT PRODUCES,

AND I’M NOT GONNA THINK
LIKE THAT.”

GINGER: SO, WE’RE LEARNING
THAT IT’S A DECISION,

WHAT WE THINK IS A DECISION.

AND I THINK A LOT OF US HAVE
THE OPINION THAT THOUGHTS JUST

KIND OF FALL INTO OUR HEAD,
AND WE HAVE TO GO WITH IT.

AND WHAT JOYCE IS SAYING,
AND MOST IMPORTANTLY,

WHAT GOD’S WORD IS SAYING
IS THAT, THAT’S NOT REALLY

HOW IT HAS TO WORK.

JAI: YEAH, YEAH.

I LOVE–
GINGER: WHAT ARE–

JAI: GO AHEAD, I’M SORRY.

GINGER: NO, I WAS JUST GONNA
SAY WHAT ARE SOMETIMES THAT YOU

GUYS HAVE HAD STINKIN’ THINKIN’?

BUT BEFORE YOU ANSWER THAT,
TELL ME WHAT YOU WERE

GOING TO SAY.

ERIN: SHE’S GONNA
ASK YOU DEEP,

PERSONAL QUESTIONS ABOUT
YOUR LIFE, NOW.

JAI: OKAY, NO,
I JUST WANTED TO POINT OUT

SOMETHING THAT JOYCE SAID
IN THAT CLIP ABOUT LIKE,

IT’S A DECISION TO COOPERATE
WITH THE SPIRIT OF GOD.

MAN, LIKE, THAT TO ME,
THAT WAS SO POWERFUL.

LIKE, I CAN MAKE A CHOICE
TO EITHER STAY IN MY LITTLE

PIT OF DESPAIR AND, YOU KNOW,
SPIRALING THOUGHTS,

OR I CAN SAY, “YOU KNOW WHAT?

I’M GOING–”
‘CUZ THE SPIRIT OF GOD,

OF COURSE, IS NOT GOING TO–
HE DOESN’T WANT

US TO GO DOWN THAT PATH,
GO DOWN THAT TRAIL.

AND JUST REALIZING THAT
IT’S TWO PATHS WE CAN CHOOSE.

WE CAN EITHER CHOOSE
TO NOT COOPERATE WITH

THE SPIRIT OF GOD, OR COOPERATE.

I JUST–I LOVED HOW
SHE SAID THAT.

GINGER: I THINK THAT’S GREAT.

IT’S REALLY IMPORTANT.

JAI: NOW TO THE DEEP
PERSONAL QUESTIONS, GO AHEAD.

[LADIES LAUGHING]

GINGER: STINKIN’ THINKIN’…

JAI: EW, SO DEEP, LET’S GO.

GINGER: STINKIN’ THINKIN’.

ERIN: I THINK IT’S–I WAS
THINKING ABOUT THIS,

AND THERE ARE TWO
PLACES IN MY HOME,

WHERE I DO THIS THE MOST,
AND I REALIZED IT RECENTLY.

IN THE SHOWER, LIKE,
I WILL SPIRAL.

I GET A LOT OF REALLY CREATIVE
IDEAS IN THE SHOWER ALSO,

BUT LIKE–
GINGER: I DO TOO.

ERIN: RIGHT?

GINGER: BUT YOU THINK LIKE,
EVEN WHAT YOU’RE SAYING

ABOUT YOUR MIND’S SPIRALING,
IT’S BECAUSE THERE’S

NO INTERRUPTIONS, RIGHT?

IT’S SO QUIET.

ERIN: YES, IT’S SOMETHING–
I DON’T–THERE’S SOMETHING

ABOUT THAT MOMENT.

AND SO OFTEN,
I WISH I’VE HAD LIKE,

SOMETHING TO WRITE
STUFF DOWN ON.

GINGER: I’VE WANTED TO INVENT
THIS FOR THE LONGEST TIME.

ERIN: YOU SHOULD!

GINGER: YEAH, SOME SORT
OF SHOWER WRITER FOR

THOSE BRILLIANT IDEAS.

ERIN: SO, SOMETIMES,
I’LL PURPOSELY PICK A TOPIC

I KNOW I NEED TO SPEND
SOME TIME THINKING ABOUT

AND TAKE IT WITH ME IN THERE,
AND SO I CAN COME OUT

WITH SOME IDEAS.

THAT’S REALLY HELPFUL SOMETIMES.

BUT ALSO, LIKE,
IF I’M IN A NEGATIVE HEADSPACE

OR IF I’M FEELING ANXIOUS,
THEN WHEN I’M IN THERE,

IT’S LIKE, IT JUST POURS.

GINGER: I’M SORRY,
THAT MADE ME LAUGH,

‘CUZ SHE’S IN THE SHOWER
AND IT JUST POURS [LAUGHING].

ERIN: MAYBE THAT’S WHY
IT’S SO MUCH MORE INTENSE.

YEAH, IT’S INTERESTING.

BUT I’LL GO IN THINKING
ABOUT WHATEVER SPECIFIC

THING IS ON MY MIND,
AND BEFORE I KNOW IT,

BY THE TIME I GET
TO THE END OF THE SHOWER,

IT’S–I’M LIKE WAY OVER HERE
ON THE PATH DOWN THIS

NEGATIVE THOUGHT TRAIL,
WHEN I JUST STARTED

WITH THIS ONE CONCERN.

GINGER: SO, WHAT DO YOU
DO ABOUT THAT,

WHEN THAT HAPPENS?

ERIN: IT’S–WELL, THIS BOOK
HAS BEEN SO HELPFUL

BECAUSE I REALIZED I COULD
STOP THAT TRACK.

SO, WHEN I REALIZE–
LIKE, EVENTUALLY,

I’LL CATCH MYSELF LIKE,
“WHOA, HOW DID WE GET HERE?”

AND SOMETIMES, I’LL EVEN SAY,
“STOP,” AND JUST SORT

OF TAKE A BREATH.

‘CUZ I NEED THE PHYSICAL ACT
OF STOPPING MY THOUGHTS.

GINGER: THAT’S A GREAT
SUGGESTION.

ERIN: IT IS.

IT’S REALLY HELPFUL,
IT’S PRACTICAL,

AND YOU SOUND SILLY,
BUT YOU’RE SO IN YOUR

HEAD ANYWAY,
IT REALLY DOESN’T MATTER.

GINGER: IT’S BETTER
THAN THINKING THE WAY

YOU’RE THINKING.

ERIN: THAN WHERE I GOT TO.

BUT STOPPING IN ITS TRACK
AND THEN I JUST NEED

TO REFOCUS ON SOMETHING ELSE.

SO, I’LL JUST PICK A DIFFERENT
TOPIC TO THINK ABOUT.

BUT THERE, AND THE KITCHEN SINK,
IS MY OTHER GO-TO OF THINKING.

GINGER: IT’S WATER.

ERIN: IT’S WATER.

JAI: DO YOU HAVE THESE
THOUGHTS AT THE POOL?

ERIN: NO, OR THE BEACH,
I’M A SUPER GREAT THERE.

[LADIES LAUGHING]

ERIN: THERE’S NO THOUGHTS
AT ALL THAT HAPPEN THERE.

OH, BUT ONE THING I WANTED
TO SHARE OUT OF THIS BOOK

THAT I UNDERLINED,
BECAUSE WHEN I–

WHEN I REALIZED THIS,
THAT I WOULD DO THIS

IN THOSE SPOTS,
IT’S BECAUSE I WAS WORRYING.

AND SO, I WOULD TAKE MY WORRIES,
AND BECAUSE NOTHING

ELSE IS HAPPENING THERE,
I WOULD JUST GO.

AND SO, I READ THIS IN THE BOOK,
IT’S ON PAGE 116, I’M NOT SURE

WHICH AFTER THIS IS.

BUT IT’S TALKING ABOUT A VERSE
IN 1 PETER, 5:6-7 AND IT SAYS,

“HUMBLE YOURSELF UNDER
THE MIGHTY HAND OF GOD,

THAT IN DUE TIME,
HE MAY EXALT YOU,

CASTING THE WHOLE OF YOUR CARE,
ALL YOUR ANXIETIES,

ALL YOUR WORRIES,
ALL YOUR CONCERNS,

ONCE AND FOR ALL ON HIM,
FOR HE CARES FOR YOU

AFFECTIONATELY AND CARES
ABOUT YOU WATCHFULLY.”

SO THEN JOYCE SAYS,
“THIS PASSAGE LETS US KNOW

THAT TO HUMBLE OURSELVES
IS NOT TO WORRY.

A PERSON WHO WORRIES
STILL THINKS THAT IN SOME WAY,

HE CAN SOLVE HIS OWN PROBLEM.

WORRY IS THE MIND RACING
AROUND TRYING TO FIND

A SOLUTION TO ITS SITUATION.”
YES, IT IS.

“A PROUD MAN IS FULL OF TRUTH–”
GINGER: THAT’S SO HARD.

ERIN: IT’S SO HARD.

“BUT THE HUMBLE MAN
IS FULL OF GOD.

THE PROUD MAN WORRIES.

THE HUMBLE MAN WAITS.”
GINGER: WOW.

ERIN: I DON’T WANT TO WAIT.

I WOULD LIKE TO SPEND
THE FIVE OR TEN MINUTES,

IN THE SHOWER,
WITH THE PROBLEM AND COMING

OUT WITH THE SOLUTION.

BUT THAT’S ME FIGURING IT OUT.

THAT’S ME RACING.

IT’S NOT GOD.

HUMBLING BEFORE HIM.

GINGER: YOU KNOW,
WHILE ERIN’S TALKING

ABOUT THAT BOOK,
JUST TO LET YOU ALL KNOW,

OF COURSE,
JOYCE’S BOOK IS FABULOUS.

YOU SHOULD GET IT.

WE ALSO, HAVE A FREE STUDY
THAT YOU CAN GET THAT

WILL HELP YOU A LOT,
THAT HAS A LOT OF THIS CONTENT.

SO, IT’S AVAILABLE
AT JOYCEMEYER.ORG/TALKITOUT,

AND YOU CAN FIND IT,
IT’S CALLED,

“BATTLEFIELD OF THE MIND
ONLINE STUDY.”

SO, WE JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW
WHILE WE’RE TALKING ABOUT THIS.

THAT’S THERE FOR YOU
IF YOU NEED IT.

IT’S SO GOOD.

JAI: YEAH, WELL,
I GUESS–THAT’S AMAZING.

LIKE, THE DIFFERENCE
BETWEEN ACKNOWLEDGING

HUMILITY VERSUS PRIDE.

ERIN: IT’S ALL WRAPPED
UP IN PRIDE.

GINGER: THAT’S AN OUCHIE
WAY TO GO ABOUT IT,

BUT IT’S SO TRUE.

JAI: YEAH, AND ME WORRYING
IS ME THINKING I CAN

DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.

ERIN: WHICH IS SO FUNNY.

LIKE, WHEN YOU STEP BACK
AND SAY THAT LIKE,

“DO I THINK THAT I’M ACTUALLY,
GONNA BE ABLE TO FIGURE

THIS OUT.”
NO, NO.

I CAN BARELY FIGURE OUT
WHAT WE’RE GOING TO HAVE

FOR DINNER TONIGHT.

I’M NOT GOING TO SOLVE
THIS PROBLEM IN FIVE MINUTES,

IN THE SHOWER.

JAI: YEAH, AND SO,
I GUESS WITH MINE,

MY TIME WHEN I HAVE THE WORST–
THAT I’VE FOUND MYSELF HAVING

THE WORST THINKING, ESPECIALLY,
IN THIS SEASON, YOU KNOW,

OF WALKING THROUGH WHAT
I’VE WALKED THROUGH,

AND DIVORCE, AND ALL THAT STUFF,
HAS BEEN IN THE MORNING.

RIGHT IN THE BED,
RIGHT WHEN I WAKE UP.

GINGER: RIGHT WHEN
YOU OPEN YOUR EYES.

JAI: RIGHT WHEN I OPEN
MY EYES BECAUSE

IT’S THE ACKNOWLEDGEMENT
THAT THINGS HAVE TRULY

CHANGED IN MY LIFE FROM,
LIKE, I DON’T WAKE

UP NEXT TO SOMEONE.

I DON’T HAVE MY DAUGHTER
AT THE HOUSE ALL THE TIME.

LIKE, IT’S JUST THAT–
“WHOA, I’M ALONE,” YOU KNOW?

WHERE PARTIALLY, I’M LIKE,
“YES,” AND THEN OTHER PARTS,

IT’S LIKE, “WHOA, I’M ALONE.”
AND SO, A LOT OF TIMES I’VE

NOTICED THAT I KIND OF CAN
SOMETIMES CARRY OVER WHAT I WAS

THINKING ABOUT THE OTHER DAY,
IN THE MORNING.

I DON’T NECESSARILY
DREAM A LOT.

LIKE, MY DREAMS ARE DEFINITELY,
IF IT’S GOD WANTS TO TALK

TO ME OR TELL ME SOMETHING.

BUT FOR THE MOST PART,
I SLEEP SOUNDLY.

THEN I WAKE UP AND IT’S LIKE
I’LL HAVE LIKE…

A PALPITATING HEART.

AND I REALIZED
I’M THINKING ABOUT,

“OKAY, THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED,
THIS IS WHAT DID…

THIS IS…

THIS IS THIS…

THIS IS THIS.”
HUH, I FIGURED THIS OUT.

THAT I LIKE, THAT I TEND
TO THINK ABOUT IS,

“I WONDER WHAT TODAY’S
GONNA BE.

IS IT GOING TO BE BETTER
THAN YESTERDAY OR WORSE

THAN YESTERDAY?”
ERIN: LIKE DREADING

IT BEFORE IT EVEN STARTED.

JAI: DREADING IT.

AND LIKE, ALREADY THINKING
ABOUT CONVERSATIONS

OR EMAILS THAT I MIGHT GET,
AND “HOW WILL I RESPOND,

HOW WILL I REACT?”
WORRYING ABOUT WHAT

COULD POTENTIALLY COME, AND–
GINGER: DREAD IS SO BIG

FOR US.

IT’S SUCH A THING FOR ALL OF US.

JAI: YEAH, YEAH,
IT’S–IT CAN BE DAUNTING.

GINGER: YEAH.

JAI: AND IT’S ONE OF THOSE
THINGS WHERE IT’S LIKE,

I REALLY DON’T–
I CAN’T CONTROL–I LITERALLY,

CANNOT CONTROL WHAT
HAPPENS THAT DAY.

NOW, SOMETIMES THOUGH,
HOLY SPIRIT DOES GIVE ME LIKE,

WISDOM–DISCERNMENT OF LIKE,
“OKAY, GUARD YOUR HEART

IN THESE AREAS.”
I CAN’T TAKE THAT LITTLE

TIP FROM THE HOLY SPIRIT
TO THEN START DREADING OVER IT.

I HAVE TO TAKE IT AND BE LIKE,
“OKAY, SOMETHING MIGHT COME

TODAY THAT MIGHT TRY
TO THROW ME OFF,

BUT GOD’S GOT ME.”
YOU KNOW, AND SO,

I CAN FIND MYSELF SPIRALING
DOWN THOSE THOUGHTS OR SAYING,

“OKAY, GOD, THANK YOU
FOR THE HEADS-UP.

THANK YOU FOR THE WARNING,”
THAT–YOU KNOW,

SO I CAN JUST BE PREPARED
FOR WHATEVER COMES.

YOU KNOW, AND SO,
I’M LEARNING TO DO THAT.

SO, THAT’S ONE OF THE WAYS
THAT I DO IT.

I ACKNOWLEDGE, “OKAY,
IS THIS FROM GOD OR THE DEVIL?”

NUMBER ONE:
ACKNOWLEDGEMENT LIKE,

“IS THIS THOUGHT FROM
GOD OR THE DEVIL?”

AND ONCE I ACKNOWLEDGE
THAT THEN IF IT’S FROM THE LORD,

“THANK YOU, HOLY SPIRIT.”
GRATITUDE, “THANK YOU,

HOLY SPIRIT FOR WHATEVER
IS TO COME.”

‘CUZ IT HAPPENED RECENTLY.

OR IF IT’S FROM SATAN,
I LITERALLY,

QUOTE ONE OF MY FAVORITE
SCRIPTURES IN PHILIPPIANS,

I THINK IT’S 4:8; LIKE,
“WHATEVER THINGS ARE BEAUTIFUL,

LOVELY AND OF GOOD REPORT.

THINK ON THESE THINGS.”
I’M LIKE, “IS THIS BEAUTIFUL?”

“NO, IT’S UGLY,” YOU KNOW?

“IS IT OF A GOOD REPORT?”
“NO, THAT’S A BAD REPORT.”

LIKE, THEN I PROBABLY SHOULDN’T
BE THINKING ABOUT IT.

AND SO, QUOTING THAT OVER ME.

AND THEN, REALLY JUST
PIVOTING MY THOUGHTS,

LIKE USING THAT CONTROL,
THAT AUTHORITY THAT WE HAVE

TO SAY, LIKE, “YOU KNOW WHAT?

I DON’T HAVE TO THINK
ABOUT THIS NOW.”

I’LL PUT IT ALL–
AND SOME THINGS,

I MIGHT WRITE DOWN TO SAY,
“OKAY, WE’LL LET THAT

HANDLE ITSELF,”
BUT THAT’S A LITTLE NOTE,

BUT I DON’T HAVE TO DREAD IT.

GINGER: YEAH,
THAT’S SUCH GREAT ADVICE.

I THINK THAT’S REALLY GOING
TO HELP A LOT OF PEOPLE

WHO ARE LISTENING RIGHT NOW.

ERIN: I DID THAT
RECENTLY TOO.

LIKE, I WAS HAVING SOME
NOT GREAT THOUGHTS,

AND I LEARNED THIS
IN COUNSELING.

BUT THE COUNSELOR SAID,
“JUST WRITE THEM DOWN

AND PUT THEM AWAY.”
AND THE ACT OF GETTING

THOSE THOUGHTS OUT,
AND THEN WALKING AWAY FROM

THEM MADE A HUGE DIFFERENCE,
BECAUSE I WAS ABLE TO–

I WROTE THEM DOWN
AND THEN I GAVE THEM TO GOD.

AND SO, AS AN ACT OF ME SAYING,
“I CAN’T CONTROL THESE THINGS.

I’VE WRITTEN DOWN WHAT
IS CONCERNING ME.

NOW, TAKE IT.

IT’S YOURS.”
AND I CANNOT EVEN EXPLAIN LIKE,

THE FREEDOM I FELT
AFTER DOING THAT.

JAI: JOURNALING IS POWERFUL.

AND SOMETIMES, LIKE EVEN,
THROUGH MY HEALING WITH

MY EX EVEN, LIKE, I MEAN,
AND I DON’T SUGGEST THIS

TO EVERYONE BUT SOMETIMES,
I WOULD JUST SEND HIM–

SOMETIMES I’LL SEND HIM
A TEXT SAYING,

“HEY, I’M STILL HURT BY THIS,”
LIKE, AND SOMETIMES,

I WILL JUST JOURNAL IT.

YOU KNOW, IF I FELT LIKE
MY TEXT WAS ERRATIC, LIKE CRAZY,

“I PROBABLY NEED TO JOURNAL
THIS AND NOT TEXT HIM.”

[LADIES LAUGHING]

JAI: BUT YOU KNOW,
SOMETIMES THOSE THOUGHTS

ARE THINGS THAT WE SHOULDN’T
SUPPRESS AND JUST STUFF IT.

IT’S LIKE–YOU BROUGHT
UP COUNSELING AND TALKING

TO SOMEONE,
GETTING GOOD FRIENDS AROUND YOU,

TALKING TO A PASTOR,
FINDING A–YOU KNOW,

A COUNSELOR,
A THERAPIST TO GET–

LIKE, NO ONE’S SAYING
TO SUPPRESS YOUR THOUGHTS,

AND JUST PRAY–
LIKE, I’M A BIG LIKE ADVOCATE

FOR NOT SPIRITUALLY BYPASSING,
LIKE, DON’T OVER-SPIRITUALIZE

THINGS AND NOT TAKE
CARE OF YOURSELF.

IF YOU NEED TO TALK TO SOMEONE,
TALK TO SOMEONE.

BUT DON’T LET THAT
BE YOUR FIRST RESORT,

WHERE WHENEVER
YOU FEEL SOMETHING,

THAT YOU WANNA GO RUN
AND TALK TO SOMEBODY.

THAT’S WHEN YOU KNOW THAT,
THAT’S OUT OF ORDER.

THE PRIORITY IS TALK
TO GOD FIRST, YOU KNOW,

TALK TO THE HOLY SPIRIT FIRST,
AND THEN USE WISDOM AND TALK

TO THE PEOPLE THAT YOU NEED.

SO, COUNSELING IS GOOD,
AND JOURNALING IS BEAUTIFUL.

GINGER: WE’RE NOT SAYING
BECAUSE YOU’RE A CHRISTIAN,

YOU SHOULDN’T HAVE BAD THOUGHTS.

WE’RE NOT SAYING THAT.

WE’RE ALL HUMAN,
WE ARE GOING TO HAVE ALL SORTS

OF THOUGHTS THAT CAN TAKE
US TO TERRIBLE PLACES.

WE’RE SAYING THAT GOD CAN
HELP US CHANGE THE DIRECTION

OF THOSE THOUGHTS.

SO, I’LL SHARE MY UGLY
THOUGHTS TOO, IN JUST A MINUTE.

I DON’T WANT YOU TO THINK
I’M GETTING OFF THE HOOK.

ERIN: OH, WE’RE NOT.

JAI: WE’RE NOT GONNA LET YOU.

GINGER: I’VE GOT SO MANY.

RIGHT NOW, WE’RE GONNA SEE
HOW JOYCE LEARNED TO CONTROL

THOSE DAY-TO-DAY THOUGHTS
THAT SHE WAS DEALING

WITH AND THEN WE’LL COME
BACK TO TALK ABOUT IT.

JOYCE: HOW MANY OF YOU
BELIEVE THAT–THERE IS AN ENEMY,

THAT YOU HAVE AN ENEMY THAT
WHISPERS THINGS TO YOUR

MIND AND TO YOUR SOUL THAT
ARE LIES FROM THE PIT OF HELL?

THEY ARE NOT THE TRUTH,
AND IF YOU BELIEVE THEM,

YOU WILL BE DESTROYED?

I DON’T KNOW ABOUT YOU, BUT I AM
SO GLAD THAT I FOUND THIS OUT,

BECAUSE HE HAD CONTROL OF
MY MIND FOR WAY TOO LONG.

I WAS A BORN-AGAIN CHRISTIAN,
BUT NOBODY EVER TOLD ME WHAT

I’M TALKING ABOUT HERE TONIGHT.

SO I WAS BORN AGAIN, BUT MY MIND
WAS FULL OF JUNK ALL THE TIME,

AND SO THEREFORE,
I WAS MAD ALL THE TIME.

I WAS UPSET ALL THE TIME.

I WAS JEALOUS OF PEOPLE.

I WAS GREEDY.

I WAS SELFISH AND SELF-CENTERED,
BUT I WAS SAVED.

I WOULD HAVE GONE TO HEAVEN.

I BELIEVE THAT, BECAUSE I REALLY
TRUSTED CHRIST FOR MY SALVATION.

BUT NOBODY EVER TOLD ME THAT MY
MIND MADE ONE BIT OF DIFFERENCE

TO THE OUTCOME IN MY LIFE.

AND I’M ASKING YOU TONIGHT
TO TAKE AN INVENTORY

OF YOUR THOUGHTS.

WHAT’S BEEN ON YOUR MIND LATELY?

IF YOU’RE DEPRESSED, WHAT HAVE
YOU BEEN THINKING ABOUT?

IF YOU’RE ANGRY, WHAT HAVE
YOU BEEN THINKING ABOUT?

IF YOU’RE BITTER, WHAT HAVE
YOU BEEN THINKING ABOUT?

WE CAN HAVE OUR MIND RENEWED
ACCORDING TO THE WORD OF GOD.

LET’S TAKE JUST A SECOND AND
LOOK AT ROMANS CHAPTER 12,

VERSE 2.

“DO NOT BE CONFORMED
TO THIS WORLD [FASHIONED AFTER

AND ADAPTED TO ITS EXTERNAL
CUSTOMS], BUT BE TRANSFORMED

(CHANGED) BY THE [ENTIRE]
RENEWAL OF YOUR MIND,” AMEN.

SO HOW ARE WE CHANGED?

FIRST, OUR MIND HAS TO CHANGE,
AND THEN OUR LIFE CHANGES.

WE DON’T THINK THE WAY THAT WE
USED TO THINK, BUT WE BEGIN TO

ACTUALLY BELIEVE THIS BOOK
AND THINK LIKE GOD THINKS.

MY GOODNESS, DO YOU KNOW HOW
MANY PROBLEMS PEOPLE HAVE

BECAUSE OF THE JUNKY THOUGHTS
THEY THINK ABOUT THEMSELVES?

I TELL YOU WHAT.

YOU’RE LOOKING AT A WOMAN.

I WOULD BE PETRIFIED ANYMORE TO
THINK BAD, JUNKY THOUGHTS ABOUT

MYSELF, BECAUSE I KNOW IT SO
DISPLEASES AND SO DISHONORS GOD.

HE SENT HIS ONLY SON
TO DIE FOR YOU.

HE LOVED YOU ENOUGH TO PAY
AN AWFUL PRICE FOR YOU,

AND WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE
TO HAVE BAD, TERRIBLE,

JUNKY THOUGHTS ABOUT YOURSELF?

IF GOD LOVES YOU,
THEN YOU CAN LOVE YOU.

[AUDIENCE APPLAUDING]

JOYCE: AMEN?

I SAID IF GOD LOVES YOU,
THEN YOU CAN LOVE YOU.

YOU DON’T THINK–YOU DON’T NEED
TO THINK, “I’M STUPID.”

YOU THINK, “I HAVE
THE MIND OF CHRIST.”

YOU DON’T NEED TO THINK,
“I CAN’T DO ANYTHING.”

YOU LOOK AT ROMANS 12, AND YOU
SAY, “I’M GIFTED AND TALENTED.

THERE’S SOMETHING THAT I CAN DO
AND IT’S IMPORTANT TO THE PEOPLE

IN THE BODY OF CHRIST
THAT I FULFILL MY PART.”

QUIT LETTING THE DEVIL DRAG YOU
DOWN THROUGH WRONG THOUGHTS

THAT DON’T AGREE
WITH THE WORD OF GOD.

“I HAVE THE MIND OF CHRIST.

I’M GIFTED.

I’M TALENTED.

I’M ANOINTED.”
LEARN HOW TO TALK LIKE

GOD TALKS.

LEARN HOW TO SEE YOURSELF
THE WAY HE SEES YOU, AND

YOUR LIFE WILL CHANGE RADICALLY.

GINGER: EW,
THAT’S GOOD STUFF.

IT IS.

IT’S SO GOOD.

IF GOD LOVES YOU,
THEN YOU CAN LOVE YOU.

I MEAN, THERE ARE
SO MANY PEOPLE, RIGHT NOW,

WHOSE MINDS ARE BEING BLOWN
BY THIS WHOLE PROCESS THAT,

“IF I CAN BELIEVE GOD’S WORD
FOR SOMEONE ELSE,

I CAN BELIEVE IT FOR ME, TOO.”
LADIES: YEAH.

GINGER: I MEAN,
THOSE THINGS ARE BIG.

ERIN: IT’S TRUE.

AND HOW MANY OF OUR DAYS,
AND OUR THOUGHTS DURING

THE DAY IS SPENT ON,
“IF ONLY, I COULD DO THIS

LIKE MY FRIEND HERE,
OR IF ONLY I LOOKED LIKE THIS

THEN I COULD HAVE THIS,
OR ALL OF THAT.”

AND YEAH,
WE CAN STILL GO TO HEAVEN.

BUT MAN, ARE WE MISSING OUT
ON ALL THE THINGS GOD HAS FOR

US BECAUSE WE’RE TOO BUSY
WORRYING ABOUT OTHER PEOPLE.

JAI: WORRYING ABOUT OTHER
PEOPLE, COMPARING OURSELVES

TO OTHER PEOPLE,
WORRYING ABOUT IF WE’RE

GOOD ENOUGH, WORRYING ABOUT
IF WE’RE LOVEABLE,

IF WE’RE THIS, IF WE’RE THAT.

AND HONESTLY, LIKE JOYCE SAID,
IT’S AN INSULT, YOU KNOW,

TO GOD AND TO THE PRICE THAT
THE JESUS PAID ON THE CROSS TO,

YOU KNOW, REALLY LIKE,
DOUBT SHE’D BE PETRIFIED

TO EVEN THINK NEGATIVE
THOUGHTS ABOUT HERSELF.

MAN, I MEAN, AND I HAVE
TO WAR WITH THAT.

AND ME AND MY DAUGHTER
TALK ABOUT IT ALL THE TIME.

AND IT’S LIKE, WE CANNOT
ALLOW OURSELVES TO THINK

NEGATIVELY ABOUT OURSELVES.

NO MATTER WHAT PHASE WERE IN,
NO MATTER IF YOU HAVE A HUGE

ZIT ON YOUR FOREHEAD,
OR ON YOUR NOSE,

NO MATTER IF YOU ATE A LOT,
YOU KNOW, OVER THE SUMMER

OR DURING QUARANTINE,
AND YOU GAINED SOME WEIGHT,

OR WHETHER YOU LOOK YOUR BEST,
EITHER WAY, IT CAN’T BE BASED

OFF OF SITUATIONS.

IT HAS TO JUST BE BASED
ON THE FACT THAT “GOD LOVES ME,

SO I NEED TO LOVE MYSELF.”
GINGER: THERE’S ALWAYS

SOMETHING WRONG
WITH EVERY ONE OF US.

JAI: WE CAN ALWAYS
FIND SOMETHING.

GINGER: EXACTLY, IT’S NOT
LIKE IT’S HARD TO FIND A REASON

FOR ANYONE TO THINK POORLY
ABOUT THEMSELVES.

BUT WHEN YOU LOOK
AT IT THAT WAY, THAT WE’RE

GOD’S CHOSEN CREATION.

SO, WE’RE NOT JUST TALKING ABOUT
OURSELVES IN A NEGATIVE WAY,

WE’RE TALKING BADLY ABOUT
WHO GOD MADE US TO BE.

JAI: HIS MASTERPIECE.

GINGER: YEAH.

AND HE DOESN’T WANT THAT FOR US,
AND WE SHOULDN’T WANT

THAT FOR HIM.

SO, THERE’S SO MUCH
IN ALL OF THIS.

I’VE HAD A REALLY HARD WEEK.

LIKE, I’VE JUST–
I DON’T KNOW WHY THINGS HAPPEN

THE WAY THEY DO SOMETIMES.

BUT IT’S JUST BEEN
A REALLY DIFFICULT WEEK.

AND I THINK PROBABLY PART
OF IT IS GETTING READY TO TALK

ABOUT THIS, YOU KNOW?

NOT THAT GOD DOES THAT TO US,
BUT THAT SATAN WILL

THROW THINGS IN OUR PATH.

AND INSTEAD OF GOING
A NEGATIVE WAY, YOU KNOW,

I’VE HAD TO THINK
ABOUT THIS A LOT.

AND TO SAY, “OKAY, WHAT
AM I GOING TO DO INSTEAD

OF DWELLING ON THESE
HARD THINGS THAT ARE

HAPPENING RIGHT NOW?”
SO, REAL PRACTICAL,

LIKE YOU SAID, ERIN,
TO SAY, “STOP,”

AND DO SOMETHING DIFFERENT.

ONE OF THE THINGS,
FOR SOME OF THE THINGS

THAT I’VE BEEN DEALING
WITH THIS WEEK IS,

I AM NOT GONNA GO TO GOOGLE
AND LOOK UP A LOT OF STUFF.

YOU KNOW WHAT I MEAN?

BECAUSE THAT CAN TAKE
YOU DOWN A REALLY DARK PATH,

REALLY QUICKLY.

SO, MAKE SOME GOOD,
PRACTICAL DECISIONS

TO WHAT YOU LET INTO YOUR MIND.

THAT MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE.

“WHAT ARE WE DWELLING ON?

AM I LOOKING UP EVERYTHING
THAT COULD POSSIBLY GO WRONG?

OR AM I READING GOD’S WORD
AND TRUSTING WHAT HE SAYS.

THAT HE’S THERE,
THAT HE WILL NEVER LEAVE ME,

HE WILL NEVER FORSAKE ME,
EVEN WHEN I DON’T

SEE AN OUTCOME.

EVEN WHEN I’M FEARFUL,
THAT IT’S NOT HIM,

THAT PUTS FEAR IN ME,” YOU KNOW,
COMBATING ALL OF THAT.

SO, YOU KNOW, ONE OF THE THINGS
FOR ME IS PSALM 139,

IT’S SO BEAUTIFUL.

I LOVE IT SO MUCH, AND IT’S–
WHEN I START TO HAVE

THOSE THOUGHTS,
ONE OF THE FIRST THINGS

I’LL SAY IS, “GOD SEARCH ME,
YOU KNOW ME, CHECK MY ANXIOUS

THOUGHTS AND LEAD ME,
YOU KNOW, HELP ME TO THINK

THE RIGHT WAY.”
AND THAT ALWAYS HELPS

ME A LOT, BECAUSE I KNOW
IT’S NOT EVEN JUST,

I HAVE TO CHANGE MY THOUGHTS.

IF I ASK GOD TO HELP ME,
HE WILL HELP WALK ME THROUGH IT.

SO, THAT’S ONE OF THE ONES
THAT’S REALLY BEEN HELPING ME.

AND JUST THROUGH SOME OF THESE
HARD THINGS THAT ARE HAPPENING,

YOU KNOW, OUTSIDE OF MYSELF.

THERE ARE ALWAYS HARD THINGS
THAT ARE HAPPENING INSIDE

OF YOURSELF AT THE SAME TIME.

SO, YOU CAN HAVE THOSE THOUGHTS,
LIKE, YOU KNOW, RATHER THAN,

“I’M REJECTED,” RIGHT?

WE ALL HAVE THOSE THOUGHTS,
LIKE, YOU EVER FEEL LIKE YOU’RE

JUST NOT LOVED WELL ENOUGH?

OR YOU KNOW, YOU JUST FEEL
ON THE OUTSIDE OF WHATEVER?

TO GO BACK TO,
“GOD, YOU THINK OF ME SO MANY

TIMES, EVERY DAY,
THAT IT OUT NUMBERS,

THE GRAINS AND THE NUMBER
OF STARS IN THE SKY.”

AND THEN, WHEN I HAVE
THOSE THINGS THAT,

I’M NOT THINKING WELL,
THEN I GO BACK

AND I REMEMBER THAT,
“GOD HAS PUT THE FRUIT

OF THE SPIRIT IN ME,”
LOVE, PEACE, PATIENCE, KINDNESS,

GOODNESS, GENTLENESS,
SELF-CONTROL, BUT I DON’T FEEL

LIKE I HAVE ANY OF THOSE THINGS.

I CAN START,
INSTEAD OF THINKING ABOUT,

“OH, OBVIOUSLY,
I HAVE NO SELF-CONTROL

BECAUSE I JUST DID THIS.”
I CAN BEGIN CONFESSING,

“GOD PROMISES, BECAUSE HIS
SPIRIT LIVES IN ME,

THAT I HAVE THESE THINGS,”
AND, “GOD, HELP ME TO WALK

IN THEM.”
SO, IT’S SO PRACTICAL.

I MEAN, THERE ARE SO MANY
THINGS THAT YOU CAN WRITE DOWN.

THIS IS NOT AN ETHEREAL
KINDA THING.

THIS IS DAILY, HITTING THE ROAD
AND DOING IT KIND OF STUFF.

ERIN: I DIDN’T REALIZE THAT
UNTIL A COUPLE YEARS AGO WHEN

I START DEALING WITH ANXIETY.

WHICH I’VE SHARED BEFORE,
I’VE NEVER DEALT WITH.

AND SO, THAT’S WHAT DREW
ME TO READING “BATTLEFIELD

OF THE MIND,” AGAIN.

BECAUSE I NEEDED SOMETHING,
AND I NEEDED SOME DIRECTION.

LIKE, I KNEW THE WORD OF GOD
WOULD BE MY SOURCE BUT I JUST–

IT WAS TOO MUCH.

SO, I NEEDED SOME LIKE,
SPECIFIC DIRECTION

OF “HERE’S HOW TO DO THIS.”
AND SO, READING THAT BOOK

WITH THOSE PRACTICAL STEPS,
A COUPLE TIMES, I’VE HAD LIKE,

PANIC ATTACKS AND IT’S USUALLY
DURING THE NIGHT.

I WAS WITH GINGER, ONE TIME,
WE WERE TRAVELING ON A TRIP

AND I TEXT HER THE NEXT MORNING,
AND SAID, “I’M GONNA BE LATE

BECAUSE I JUST HAD A PANIC
ATTACK LAST NIGHT.

I JUST NEED A MINUTE.”
AND IT’S LIKE–

OUR FRIENDS ARE GONNA
UNDERSTAND THIS,

IF YOU HAD IT, LIKE, A SHAKING,
I COULDN’T–MY MIND WAS RACING,

MY HEART WAS RACING.

AND SO, ALL I COULD DO WAS
QUOTE SCRIPTURE.

I REMEMBER–AND I CALLED–
I WENT TO THE BATHROOM,

IT WAS IN THE MIDDLE
OF THE NIGHT,

‘CUZ I HAD A ROOMMATE.

SO, I HUDDLED
UP IN THE BATHROOM,

AND I WAS SOBBING,
AND I SAID, “MIKE, I CAN’T–

I CAN’T STOP SHAKING.

I CAN’T STOP.

LIKE, WHAT’S HAPPENING?”
AND SO, HE PRAYED FOR ME.

AND THEN, I TURNED ON WORSHIP
MUSIC IN MY HEADPHONES,

AND I JUST, LIKE,
TOOK DEEP BREATHS,

AND I JUST HAD TO KEEP
THINKING THE THOUGHTS OF GOD.

I HAD TO KEEP REMEMBERING
THAT I HAVE THE MIND OF CHRIST

AND THAT THIS WILL PASS.

BUT, YOU KNOW,
THE VERSE IN PSALMS, IT’S,

“YOU GIVE ME–”
OR, “I WILL LAY DOWN–”

I CAN’T.

I’M TELLING YOU ALL THESE THINGS
AND I CAN’T REMEMBER THE VERSES.

PSALM 4:8, “IN PEACE I WILL LAY
DOWN TO SLEEP FOR YOU,

OH, LORD, KEEP ME SAFE.”
AND SO, I SHOULD BE ABLE

TO REMEMBER THAT,
I’VE SAID IT SO MANY TIMES.

BUT JUST OVER AND OVER AGAIN,
TO REPLACE THAT NEGATIVE

THOUGHT THAT’S COMING IN.

THAT’S ME SAYING,
“NO, THIS IS THE THOUGHT

I’M GOING TO THINK ON.”
SO…

GINGER: YOU KNOW WHAT I LOVE
ABOUT WHAT YOU’RE SHARING?

YOU’RE DOING IT RIGHT NOW,
AND YOU DID IT THEN.

THAT MORNING, YOU CALLED ME,
AND YOU LET ME KNOW,

AND YOU TOLD ME,
AND I COULD PRAY ABOUT IT,

I COULD UNDERSTAND A LITTLE BIT,
YOU KNOW?

WHEN YOU KEEP SOMETHING SECRET,
WHEN YOU HIDE IT, THEN IT GIVES

IT SO MUCH MORE POWER.

AND ERIN TOOK THE POWER
AWAY FROM IT BY SAYING,

“THERE’S NOTHING–
THERE’S NO SHAME IN THIS.

THIS IS WHAT I DEALING WITH.

I JUST WANT YOU TO KNOW.

WILL YOU PRAY FOR ME?”
AND BY TELLING EVERYONE

ELSE THAT THERE’S NO SHAME
IN ANYTHING THAT THEY’RE

DEALING WITH.

AND I JUST THINK THAT’S
BEAUTIFUL THAT YOU DID THAT.

ERIN: I APPRECIATE YOU SAYING
THAT BECAUSE ON THE FLIP SIDE,

I THOUGHT, “I DO NOT WANT
TO TELL MY BOSS THAT I’M GONNA

BE LATE TO THIS MEETING BECAUSE
I CAN’T GET MY ACT TOGETHER.”

AND I THOUGHT,
“NO, THIS IS WHERE

I AM IN THIS MOMENT.

GINGER KNOWS ME.

SHE KNOWS I’M GOING
TO DO MY BEST,

BUT I NEED TO BE HONEST,
AND I NEED TO LET MY FRIEND IN.”

AND IT MADE A HUGE DIFFERENCE.

EVEN CALLING MIKE AT TWO
IN THE MORNING.

I THOUGHT, “I DON’T WANT
TO BOTHER HIM.

HE’S GOT THE KIDS.

I DON’T WANT TO WAKE HIM UP.”
BUT IN THAT MOMENT,

I NEEDED TO TELL SOMEBODY ELSE,
“I’M NOT OKAY.

AND I NEED YOU TO HELP
ME THROUGH THIS.”

JUST LIKE YOU WERE SAYING,
YOU NEED TO BE ABLE

TO TALK TO SOMEBODY,
‘CUZ LIKE, IT DID,

IT TOOK THE POWER AWAY.

IT’S SO AMAZING WHEN YOU
SAY STUFF OUT LOUD THAT,

THAT POWER OF WHAT’S
RACING IN HERE, DIMINISHES.

GINGER: IT CHANGES
YOUR THOUGHTS.

JAI: IT’S SO CRAZY,
HOW CHRISTIANS–

A LOT OF CHRISTIANS TEND
TO FEEL LIKE THAT’S A BAD THING.

YOU KNOW, TO KNOWLEDGE THAT
YOU HAVE A MOMENT OF WEAKNESS.

I WANTED TO SHARE SOMETHING
ELSE WITH YOU GUYS.

THIS PAST EASTER WAS BIG FOR ME.

AND NOT BECAUSE OF ANY
AMAZING PRODUCTION,

OR ANY MAGICAL, OR YOU KNOW,
HOLY SPIRIT-FILLED

WORSHIP SESSION.

IT WAS BECAUSE AFTER
GOOD FRIDAY–

AND I’VE SHARED A LOT ABOUT,
YOU KNOW, WHAT’S GOING

ON IN MY PERSONAL LIFE
AS IT PERTAINS TO INFIDELITY

AND DIVORCE, GETTING–
YOU KNOW, GETTING SERVED PAPERS.

AND NOW, BEING, YOU KNOW,
FIGURING OUT LIFE BY MYSELF.

GINGER: LOTS OF HARD STUFF.

JAI: IT’S A LOT OF HARD STUFF
THROUGH A PANDEMIC, AS WELL.

AND SO, ANYWAYS, I’M SAYING THAT
BECAUSE, THIS PAST–

I WAS THINKING, RIGHT,
THE DAY BEFORE, GOOD FRIDAY,

IT WAS JUST A HARD,
HARD DAY FOR ME.

I WAS JUST THINKING ABOUT
A WHOLE BUNCH OF STUFF,

GOT SEVERAL EMAILS,
MORE THINGS ABOUT

THE SITUATION CAME OUT.

LIKE, IT’S UNFORTUNATE WHEN
JUST LAYERS AND LAYERS

OF THINGS THAT COME OUT.

AND FINALLY, I JUST REALLY
STARTED READING ABOUT

THE CROSS AND JESUS, YOU KNOW,
DYING ON THE CROSS.

AND THEN, I READ THE PART
IN THE SCRIPTURE WHERE

IT WAS TALKING ABOUT HOW THEY,
LIKE, THE PEOPLE WERE CASTING

LOTS FOR JESUS’ CLOTHES, LIKE,
YOU KNOW, AND THEN JESUS SAYS,

“FORGIVE THEM FOR THEY KNOW,
NOT WHAT THEY DO.”

AND I’M LIKE, “HOLD UP.

THEY DID KNOW WHAT
THEY WERE DOING.

THEY WERE LITERALLY
CASTING LOTS.

LIKE, WHILE YOU WERE DYING.”
GINGER: THEY SHOULD

HAVE KNOWN BETTER.

JAI: “THEY GAVE YOU VINEGAR
WHEN YOU NEEDED WATER.”

LIKE, THEY KNEW.

AND HE’S LIKE, “YEAH, THEY KNEW,
BUT THEY DIDN’T KNOW THAT THEY

WERE PART OF THE BIG PLAN.”
SO, I IMMEDIATELY,

THEN WAS LIKE,
“MAN, WELL, THANK YOU,”

TO THOSE PEOPLE.

AND SO, WHAT THAT DID WAS
HELP ME, AND HOPEFULLY,

THIS HELPS YOU.

EVEN WITH THE WAY THAT YOU THINK
ABOUT A HORRIBLE SITUATION,

I BEGIN TO THANK MY EX.

I CALLED HIM BY HIS NAME.

“THANK YOU.”
AND I BEGIN TO,

THANK THE MISTRESS.

I SAID HER NAME OUT LOUD,
LIKE, I BEGIN TO THANK THEM,

AND I FELT A RELEASE.

I’M LIKE, I DON’T HAVE TO FIND
OUT ANY MORE STUFF.

I DON’T HAVE TO KNOW
ANYTHING ELSE.

BUT THANK YOU, BECAUSE THEY’RE
PART OF A BIG PLAN THAT I HAVE

NEVER EVEN SEEN BEFORE.

I HAVEN’T EVEN SEEN IT.

BUT WHAT THEY’VE DONE–
WHAT I THOUGHT WAS DETRIMENT,

WHAT I THOUGHT WAS DETRIMENT,
IS ACTUALLY CATAPULTING

ME TO WHATEVER’S COMING NEXT.

SO “THANK YOU.”
ERIN: JAI THAT IS BIG.

GINGER: THAT IS HUGE.

ERIN: I THINK WHEN YOU START
RECOGNIZING THE FACT THAT

YOU CAN THINK ABOUT WHAT
YOU’RE THINKING ABOUT,

IT’S HARDER IN THE BEGINNING
TO LEARN TO CHANGE

THE WAY YOU THINK.

SO, LIKE YOU SAID, GINGER,
THE CIRCUMSTANCE IS STILL

THE SAME, BUT I CAN THINK
ABOUT IT DIFFERENTLY.

IT’S HARD IN THE BEGINNING,
BUT ONCE YOU PRACTICE,

AND ONCE YOU BEGIN
TO SEE GOD WORKING,

AND YOU SEE THIS–
WHATEVER THAT WAS,

YOU SEE GOD TAKE
THAT STORY FOR–

AND TURN IT INTO
SOMETHING AMAZING,

THEN IT MAKES THE PROCESS
EVEN EASIER.

GINGER: WHAT WE’RE
TALKING ABOUT WORKS.

AND SO, THAT CHANGES THINGS,
AND SLOWLY IT BECOMES

SECOND NATURE, INSTEAD OF,
YOU KNOW–IN THE BEGINNING,

IT’S LIKE, “OH, WAIT A MINUTE,
I NEED TO DO THIS,”

AND THAT’S GOOD.

THAT’S A GREAT PLACE TO START.

BUT THERE WILL COME A TIME
WHERE IT’S SECOND NATURE THAT,

“THIS IS WHAT I NEED TO THINK
INSTEAD OF WHAT I’M THINKING.”

IT’S ALMOST ALWAYS
THE OPPOSITE, RIGHT?

THERE’S A SCRIPTURE IN THE BIBLE
THAT IS THE OPPOSITE

OF WHAT YOU’RE THINKING.

IF YOU’RE THINKING YOU’RE
WORTHLESS, GOD TELLS YOU,

YOU ARE VALUABLE.

IF YOU ARE AFRAID,
GOD TELLS YOU,

HE IS THERE WITH YOU.

YOU DON’T HAVE TO BE AFRAID.

JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING
THAT WE’RE DEALING WITH,

GOD HAS AN ANSWER FOR.

SO, WE’RE GONNA GO RIGHT
BACK TO JOYCE, ONE MORE TIME,

BECAUSE YOU’VE TAKEN THIS
INVENTORY IN YOUR LIFE NOW,

THAT SHE WAS TALKING ABOUT.

AND SHE’S GOING TO GIVE
YOU SOME MORE REALLY

GREAT PRACTICAL IDEAS.

JOYCE: YOU CAN DO YOUR
OWN THINKING, AND SO CAN I.

YOU CAN THINK YOUR OWN THOUGHTS.

YOU DON’T HAVE TO THINK ANYTHING
THAT FALLS IN YOUR HEAD,

YOU CAN THROW SOME OUT
AND CHOOSE SOME BETTER ONES.

YOU CAN DO YOUR OWN THINKING,
YOU CAN DO YOUR OWN THINKING,

YOU CAN DO YOUR OWN THINKING,
YOU CAN DO YOUR OWN THINKING.

[AUDIENCE APPLAUDING]

JOYCE: IF YOU HAVE TO,
YOU WRITE DOWN 20 THINGS THAT

YOU WANNA THINK THAT YOU BELIEVE
WILL IMPROVE YOUR LIFE.

MAKE IT ALL SOMETHING THAT
COMES FROM THE WORD OF GOD.

AND YOU GET UP IN THE MORNING,
AND YOU SAY, “GOD LIVES IN ME.

I HAVE HIS WISDOM.

I AM FORGIVEN.

MADE RIGHT WITH GOD THROUGH
THE BLOOD OF CHRIST.

I HAVE WORTH AND VALUE.

GOD LOVES ME UNCONDITIONALLY.”
AND THEN, WHEN YOU START

FEELING JUNKY AT NINE O’CLOCK,
YOU GET YOUR LIST BACK OUT.

WHEN YOU START FEELING BAD
AT ELEVEN O’CLOCK,

YOU GET YOUR LIST BACK OUT.

WHEN YOU MAKE A LITTLE MISTAKE
AND YOU LOSE YOUR TEMPER

AND YELL AT YOUR KIDS,
AND THE DEVIL SAYS,

“SEE, YOU AIN’T EVEN SAVED.”
YOU GET YOUR LIST BACK OUT.

ARE YOU THERE?

FIGHT THE GOOD FIGHT
OF FAITH AND THE NEXT DAY,

IT’LL BE EASIER.

AND THE NEXT DAY,
IT’LL BE EASIER.

AND A MONTH FROM NOW,
IT’LL BE A LOT EASIER.

AND A YEAR FROM NOW,
YOU WON’T EVEN BE HAVING THAT

BATTLE WITH THOSE THOUGHTS,
YOU MAY HAVE A BATTLE WITH

SOME NEW THOUGHTS,
BUT YOU LEARN HOW TO WIN

THE BATTLE BY FIGHTING
WITH THE WORD OF GOD.

AMEN?

[AUDIENCE APPLAUDING]

JOYCE: DON’T OVERLOAD
YOUR MIND.

GOD CREATED US TO HANDLE LIFE,
ONE DAY AT A TIME.

SO, DON’T BE WORRYING
ABOUT TOMORROW AND DON’T

BE WORRYING ABOUT YESTERDAY.

DON’T LOOK TO THE RIGHT
OR THE LEFT.

DON’T LOOK BEHIND YOU.

DON’T LOOK IN FRONT OF YOU.

LIVE TODAY BECAUSE GOD HAS GIVEN
YOU THE GRACE THAT YOU NEED

TO HAVE A GREAT DAY, TODAY,
IF YOU’LL FOCUS ON THIS DAY.

COME ON, GIVE GOD A PRAISE.

[AUDIENCE APPLAUDING]

GINGER: THIS IS THE BEST
STUFF.

I’M TELLING YOU; THIS IS SO
PRACTICAL.

GOD’S WORD ALWAYS IS,
BUT SOMETIMES,

WE READ IT AND WE KINDA
BRUSH OVER IT AND WE DON’T

KNOW WHAT TO DO WITH IT.

THIS IS WHAT GOD WANTS
US TO DO WITH HIS WORD.

HE WANTS US TO LIVE IN PEACE,
AND JOY, AND SECURITY,

NO MATTER WHAT’S GOING
ON AROUND US.

BECAUSE THE WORLD IS NOT SECURE,
THERE’S A LOT OF STUFF

HAPPENING, BUT THIS CHANGES IT.

THIS CHANGES EVERYTHING.

ERIN: I LOVE THAT,
SHE SAID TOO, LIKE,

IF IT AT ELEVEN O’CLOCK,
YOU NEED TO PULL THAT

LIST OUT AGAIN,
AND THEN AT THREE O’CLOCK

YOU NEED TO PULL THAT LIST OUT.

YOU JUST HAVE TO KEEP DOING
IT BECAUSE SOMETIMES IT DOESN’T

FEEL LIKE IT’S WORKING.

AND SOMETIMES,
IT FEELS LIKE I’VE GOT MY LIST

AND MY SCRIPTURES AND IT’S NOT
CHANGING ANYTHING,

BUT WE HAVE TO JUST
KEEP GOING BACK TO IT.

‘CUZ HIS WORD IS FAITHFUL.

GOD IS FAITHFUL IN THE THINGS
THAT HE PROMISES US.

AND THE DEVIL WANTS
US TO GIVE UP AND SAY

“EH, IT DIDN’T WORK THAT TIME,
SO, I’M JUST GOING

TO DO IT ON MY OWN
AND LET MY MIND RACE.”

BUT HE’S FAITHFUL TO WHAT
HE’S PROMISED US.

JAI: YEAH, I LOVE HOW SHE
SAYS JUST GET THROUGH TODAY.

ERIN: YEAH.

GINGER: ONE DAY AT A TIME.

JAI: GET THROUGH NOW.

GINGER: THAT’S WHAT
GOT TO ME.

THAT’S WHY I’M LIKE…

[LADIES LAUGHING]

GINGER: IT’S SO GOOD.

I MEAN, THAT’S WHAT I NEEDED.

I’M GONNA GIVE YOU THIS,
AND THIS IS WHAT WE’RE GOING

TO SAY AT THE END OF THE SHOW,
AND IT’S ALL YOURS [LAUGHING].

JAI: THIS PART, RIGHT HERE?

GINGER: YEAH, THE BLUE THINGS
AT THE BOTTOM THERE.

JAI: OKAY.

SO, THE RESOURCE OFFER,
“BATTLEFIELD OF THE MIND,”

COMES FROM JOYCE’S
TOP-SELLING BOOK,

“BATTLEFIELD OF THE MIND.”
MAKE SURE YOU GUYS GET THAT.

IT’S A FREE BIBLE STUDY,
YOU’RE GONNA LOVE IT,

YOU’RE GONNA ENJOY IT.

GO TO JOYCEMEYER.ORG/TALKITOUT
FOR THE RESOURCE.

GET CAUGHT UP ON ALL OF OUR
PREVIOUS EPISODES,

AND SIGN UP TO BE ONE
OF OUR FRIENDS.

BECAUSE CLEARLY,
WE’RE GREAT FRIENDS,

BECAUSE SHE JUST PASSED ME THIS.

AND I JUST TOOK IT BECAUSE
I SEE THAT SHE NEEDED IT.

AND SO, WE LOVE YOU.

ERIN: YOU DID GREAT!

GINGER: THANK YOU FOR
BEING THERE FOR ME, FRIEND.

JAI: I CAN READ.

[LADIES LAUGHING]

JAI: I DIDN’T DO IT AS
GOOD AS GINGER,

‘CUZ GINGER USUALLY HAS IT DOWN
HERE AND SHE DOES LIKE THIS.

BUT I DIDN’T WANT TO OVER
THINK IT, GET IT?

ERIN: NICE!

I SEE WHAT YOU DID THERE.

THAT WAS NICE.

JAI: BUT YEAH, THANK YOU
GUYS SO MUCH FOR JOINING US.

THANK YOU, GINGER.

THANK YOU, ERIN.

THANK YOU, ALL OF OUR FRIENDS.

SEE YOU NEXT TIME
ON TALK IT OUT.

GINGER: BYE, YOU GUYS.

ERIN: BYE FRIENDS.

[MUSIC]