Ex-Satanist Reveals Real Horrors of Satanism | Alan Ray & Sharon

In this It’s Supernatural! Classic episode from 1999: In Mount Shasta, there are some 26 major cults. There’s witchcraft there. But although the devil has power, inside Bethel Church is an explosion of God’s power. And I want to introduce you to someone that actually went into the church, and witches came into the church and pulled her out for satanic ritual abuse.

SID: HELLO, I’M SID ROTH,
AND I AM IN REDDING,

CALIFORNIA, SO BEAUTIFUL,
BUT BEHIND US,

IN MOUNT SHASTA, THERE’S
SOME 26 MAJOR CULTS.

THERE’S WITCHCRAFT THERE,
BUT ALTHOUGH THE DEVIL HAS

POWER, INSIDE THIS CHURCH,
BETHEL CHURCH,

IS AN EXPLOSION OF GOD’S
POWER AND I WANT TO

INTRODUCE YOU TO SOMEONE
THAT ACTUALLY WENT INTO

THE CHURCH AND WITCHES
CAME INTO THE CHURCH,

PULLED HER OUT FOR SATANIC
RITUAL ABUSE,

NEXT, ON THIS EDITION OF
IT’S SUPERNATURAL.

[MUSIC♪] LIFE AFTER DEATH
EXPERIENCES AND ANGELIC

COMMUNICATIONS ARE ON THE
INCREASE.

TERMINALLY ILL PATIENTS
WHOM DOCTORS HAVE GIVEN NO

HOPE ARE UNEXPLAINABLY
CURED.

PEOPLE ARE BEING
MYSTERIOUSLY PROTECTED

FROM NATURAL DISASTERS.

SID ROTH, YOUR
INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER,

EXAMINES THIS INVISIBLE
WORLD ON IT’S SUPERNATURAL.

[MUSIC♪]

SID: HELLO, I’M SID ROTH,
YOUR INVESTIGATIVE

REPORTER AND I’M HERE WITH
ALAN RAY,

AND THIS IS A MAN THAT HAS
COUNSELED FORMER

HOMOSEXUALS THAT HAVE BEEN
SET FREE;

PEOPLE IN RITUALISTIC
ABUSE FROM SATANISM THAT

HAVE BEEN SET FREE.

THIS IS AN UNUSUAL THING.

ALAN, YOU’RE TRAINED IN
PSYCHIATRY;

YOU HAVE A COLLEGE DEGREE.

DOES THIS HELP YOU A WHOLE
LOT IN THIS AREA?

ALAN: WELL, I JUST REALLY
HAVE AN UNDERGRADUATE

DEGREE IN PSYCHOLOGY AND
IT HELPS SOME,

BUT THAT WAS BACK IN THE
LATE 60S WHEN I GOT MY

DEGREE, AND I REALLY, IT
WAS SO OBJECTIONABLE TO MY

CHRISTIANITY BACK THEN I
TOSSED IT AWAY,

BUT IT’S GOD HAS
RESURRECTED IT AND MADE IT

FRESH WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT
TO COME ALIVE AGAIN.

SID: WHAT I FIND IS SOME
PEOPLE THROW OUT THE BABY

WITH THE DIRTY BATHWATER,
AND THERE ARE THINGS THAT

ARE OF VALUE IN
EVERYTHING,

AND JUST LIKE IN
WITCHCRAFT,

TO UNDERSTAND THE USE OF
PORTIONS OF SCRIPTURE,

WE’RE NOT GOING TO THROW
AWAY OUR BIBLE.

ALAN: THAT’S RIGHT.

SID: BUT, TELL ME HOW YOU
GOT INTO THIS AREA?

ALAN: WELL, IT WAS A
NUMBER OF YEARS AGO WHEN I

CAME ON STAFF HERE AT
BETHEL CHURCH THAT I WAS

IN CHARGE OF THE SINGLES
GROUP AND THE AVERAGE AGE

WAS MID-30S OR EVEN INTO
THE 40S,

REALLY, 50S, AND THESE
PEOPLE WERE REALLY

BATTERED AND ABUSED IN
THEIR LIFE.

I MEAN, THEY EXPERIENCED
MAYBE ONE OR MULTIPLE

DIVORCES, SO I BEGAN IN
THE COUNSELING AND I

REALIZED THAT THERE WERE A
LOT MORE PROBLEMS THERE

AND A FEW OF THEM THAN ANY
KIND OF SURFACE DEALING

WITH THEIR BEHAVIOR COULD
MANAGE.

SID: NOW, DOES THIS HAVE
ANYTHING TO DO WITH

OBVIOUSLY THE TIMES WE’RE
LIVING IN,

THE BREAKDOWN IN MORALITY,
BUT THE FACT THAT MOUNT

SHASTA HAS SO MANY
DIFFERENT CULT GROUPS AND

THERE’S SO MANY PEOPLE IN
NEW AGE AND SATANISTS IN

THIS PARTICULAR AREA OF
THE COUNTRY?

ALAN: YEAH, I THINK THAT’S
THE CASE.

THERE’S OVER 20 CULT
HEADQUARTERS AROUND MOUNT

SHASTA.

IT’S THE SINGLE MOST
IMPORTANT LANDMARK IN THE

UNITED STATES.

THIS IS PROBABLY THE MOST
POWERFUL OCCULTIC AREA IN

THE ENTIRE UNITED STATES,
SO THEY TEND TO CONGREGATE

TO PLACES LIKE THIS.

PEOPLE THAT ARE SURVIVING,
THIS IS THEIR AREA IN

WHICH THEY LIVED, AND SO
THERE’S JUST A HIGH

PERCENTAGE HERE.

SID: NOW, SOME OF OUR
VIEWERS THINK THAT IT’S

ALL EITHER SLEIGHT OF HAND
OR POSITIVE THINKING,

BUT THERE REALLY IS A
POWER IN THE DARK REALM.

ALAN: OH, ABSOLUTELY.

SID: AND AS A RESULT, JUST
OUT OF MY CURIOSITY,

YOU SOMETIMES, ARE YOU
FEARFUL OF THIS POWER?

I MEAN, YOU ARE KNOCKING
OUT PEOPLE IN THEIR

MOVEMENT.

ALAN: THAT’S CORRECT,
YEAH,

AND UNFORTUNATELY I’VE
BEEN FINDING THAT MY NAME

HAS BEEN DISCUSSED A LOT
IN COVEN MEETINGS TO TRY TO

FIGURE OUT WHAT TO DO AND
THEY’VE BROUGHT IN

EXPERTS, AND NOT JUST ME
BUT OUR ENTIRE CHURCH AND

OUR CHURCH STAFF, AND
THEY’VE BEEN VERY

CONCERNED.

I’VE NEVER BEEN FEARFUL.

I’VE EXPERIENCED BEING
WELL AWARE OF THE DEEP AND

DARK AGENDA THAT THEY HAVE
AGAINST WHAT GOD IS DOING

HERE, BUT I BELIEVE THAT
GOD HAS JUST REALLY

INSULATED US HERE IN A
REAL MARVELOUS FASHION,

TO COVER US AND PROTECT US
IN WHAT WE’RE DOING.

SID: NOW, I UNDERSTAND
THAT WITCHES SOMETIMES

COME INTO YOUR CHURCH.

ALAN: QUITE OFTEN.

QUITE OFTEN.

SID: NOW, BEFORE YOU WERE
AWARE THIS WAS GOING ON,

DID THEY AFFECT THE
SERVICE IN ANY WAY?

ALAN: YES, THEY DID, AND
WHEN WE FIRST STARTED

GETTING INTO THIS, WE
WEREN’T REALLY AWARE OF

WHAT WAS IN OUR SERVICE
AND WE WOULD JUST SENSE

THE WORSHIP WAS GOING
NOWHERE,

THE PREACHING WAS FLAT.

THERE WAS A LOT OF
CONFUSION,

A LOT OF DISRUPTION IN THE
SERVICE,

KIDS RUNNING AROUND, AND
AFTER WE FINALLY FIGURED

OUT WHAT WAS GOING ON, WE
BEGAN TO PRAY AN

INTERCESSORY PRAYER TO DO
BATTLE IN THE SPIRIT.

WE RENDERED CONFUSION
AGAINST THE WITCHES WHO

WERE COMING RATHER THAN
THE OTHER WAY AROUND,

WHICH HAS BEEN A LOT OF
FUN.

SID: WILL THERE COME A
POINT WHERE THE ANOINTING,

OR THE MANIFEST PRESENCE
OF GOD,

WILL BE SO STRONG THAT A
WITCH WOULD HAVE TO BE

CRAZY TO WALK INTO THIS
CHURCH?

ALAN: ACTUALLY, THE LORD’S
BEEN TALKING TO ME ABOUT

THAT, ABOUT THREE WEEKS
AGO THAT I ACTUALLY SAW A

VISION OF PEOPLE NOT BEING
ALLOWED IN THE BUILDING

UNLESS THEY EITHER
BELONGED TO THE FLOCK AS

CHRISTIANS, OR ELSE THEY
WERE INVITED BY THE HOLY

SPIRIT BECAUSE THE LORD
SAW THAT THEIR HEART WAS

READY TO HEAR THE TRUTH,
BUT ANYBODY WHO IS GOING

TO TRY TO COME IN JUST TO
DO DAMAGE TO THE FLOCK WAS

NOT EVEN GOING TO BE
ALLOWED IN THE DOOR,

JUST BY THE HOLINESS OF
GOD,

NOT BY ANYTHING THAT WE
WOULD DO.

SID: THERE’S A WOMAN THAT
I’LL BE INTERVIEWING IN

THE NEXT SEGMENT THAT, SHE
CAME TO YOUR CONGREGATION

HAVING PRETTY MUCH
RENOUNCED SATANISM AND

ACCEPTED THE LORD, AND I’M
TOLD THAT SOME WITCHES

LITERALLY PULLED HER OUT
OF THE CHURCH BUILDING AND

ABUSED HER FROM A SATANIC
VIEWPOINT.

ALAN: IT’S BEEN COMMON
THAT IN HER EXPERIENCE TO

TRY TO GET FREE FROM ALL
OF THIS THAT THEY WOULD GO

TO HER HOUSE, THEY WOULD
COME INTO THE CHURCH HERE

TO CONTACT HER AND DO
EVERYTHING THEY COULD TO

KEEP HER ENTRENCHED IN IT,
YOU KNOW,

BY THREAT; THREAT OF
BODILY HARM.

AND THERE’S A LOT OF
MEDICAL RECORDS TO PROVE

HOW SHE HAD BEEN ABUSED.

SID: WHAT REALLY IS DONE
IN SATANIC ABUSE?

ALAN: IT’S SUCH A DARK
THING,

I YOU KNOW, I DON’T LIKE
TO TALK ABOUT A LOT OF THE

DETAILS EXCEPT THAT
TYPICALLY THERE’S A LOT OF

DEATH, THERE’S ANIMALS
THAT ARE RITUALLY

SACRIFICED…

SID: I HEAR ABOUT
SOMETIMES HUMAN CHILDREN,

AND THEY EVEN BREED THEM
FOR THAT.

IS THAT TRUE?

ALAN: THAT’S TRUE.

THAT’S TRUE.

YEAH, THERE’S A LOT OF
CHILDREN AND ADULTS THAT

DIE IN THIS AREA AND I’VE
HAD TO LISTEN TO THOSE

STORIES.

I’VE HAD TO HELP UNDO THE
DAMAGE THAT HAS HAPPENED

TO ESPECIALLY THE ADULTS
WHO WERE THEN CHILDREN AND

HAD TO PARTICIPATE IN
THOSE PARTICULAR

CEREMONIES AND SO FORTH,
AND IT’S A REAL TRAGIC

THING.

SID: HOW DOES THE
SUPERNATURAL OF GOD FIT

INTO THIS?

ALAN: IT IS AN AMAZING
THING TO ME TO WATCH THE

POWER OF THE HOLY SPIRIT
ACTUALLY INTERVENE IN THE

MIDST OF THE HORRIBLE
MEMORIES THAT ARE NOW ABLE

TO COME OUT AS A RESULT OF
THERE BEING ANSWERS AND

THE POWER OF GOD AVAILABLE
TO BRING REDEMPTION AND

HEALING, AND THE POWER OF
GOD IS AN AMAZING THING.

IT CAN GO IN AND ACTUALLY
COMMUNICATE THE LOVE OF

GOD IN SUCH A WAY THAT
IT’S REVEALED TRUTH.

IT’S NOT JUST IN THEIR
MIND.

IT’S NOT JUST READING A
VERSE AND MENTALLY

APPRAISING IT, BUT IT
ACTUALLY GOES INTO THEIR

HEART BY REVELATION.

THEY FEEL GOD’S LOVE AND
FORGIVENESS AND TOTAL

REDEMPTION.

SID: I DON’T WANT YOU TO
MENTION A SPECIFIC NAME,

BUT WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE
TO GIVE ME A SPECIFIC

SUPERNATURAL INSTANCE ON
AN INDIVIDUAL THAT WAS A

MAJOR KEY IN THEIR
TRANSFORMATION?

ALAN: OH, THERE’S BEEN
MANY,

MANY OF THOSE, YEAH, AND
THAT’S WHAT WE LIVE BY.

CERTAINLY THAT’S OUR BREAD
AND BUTTER NOW AND THAT’S

THE ONLY WAY PEOPLE CAN BE
FREE.

SID: CAN YOU THINK OF ONE
SPECIFIC POINT?

ALAN: SURE.

I WOULD ONE IN PARTICULAR
WOULD BE,

I WAS DEALING WITH A WOMAN
RECENTLY WHO WAS LIVING IN

AN AREA OF CALIFORNIA THAT
IS REAL HIGHLY POPULATED

WITH THESE SATANISTS, AND
IN THE MIDST OF

REMEMBERING THE EVENT OF
WHAT HAPPENED TO HER,

IN THIS RETELLING OF THE
STORY,

SHE ACTUALLY HAD A VISION
OF JESUS WALKING UP TO HER

AS A CHILD AND PICKING HER
UP AND CARRYING HER AWAY

FROM THE EVENT, AND SHE
REMEMBERS,

AS SHE WAS RETELLING THE
STORY,

THAT SHE RAN AWAY, THAT
JESUS ACTUALLY APPEARED TO

HER AND TALKED TO HER
ABOUT THIS EVENT,

AND, YOU KNOW, WASHED HER
OFF AND CLEANSED HER AND

BEGAN TO SPEAK TRUTH THAT
I DIDN’T EVEN KNOW HOW TO

COMMUNICATE, AND AT THE
END OF IT SHE SAID,

ìTHIS IS WHAT JESUS
APPEARED TO ME IN THE

MIDST OF THIS MEMORY AND
THIS IS WHAT HE TOLD MEî,

AND IT WAS ASTOUNDING!

THINGS THAT I DIDN’T EVEN
KNOW ABOUT MYSELF AS FAR

AS THE HEART OF JESUS FOR
A PERSON AS A CHILD GOING

THROUGH THIS.

SID: WHAT AFFECT DID THIS
HAVE ON HER AS FAR AS IS

SHE HEALTHY TODAY?

FREE OF WITCHCRAFT?

ALAN: SHE’S HEALTHY AND
FREE,

BEGAN TO LAUGH IN MY
OFFICE,

WANTED TO HUG EVERYBODY.

THE NEXT SUNDAY, WHEN SHE
HAD BEEN TERRIFIED OF OUR

CHURCH IN WORSHIP BECAUSE
OF HOW IT WOULD TRIGGER

HER ABOUT THE CULT, SHE
WAS DANCING IN THE FRONT

OF THE CHURCH AND THE
CENTER AND JUST TOTALLY

REDEEMED AND SET FREE.

SID: WE’RE GOING TO MEET
AN EX-WITCH,

AN EX-PERSON FROM
SATANISM,

AN EX-PERSON FROM SATANIC
ABUSE,

AND FOR SECURITY REASONS
WE’RE GOING TO NOT

IDENTIFY HER BY NAME.

DON’T GO AWAY.

WE’LL BE RIGHT BACK.

[MUSIC♪] (SWOOSH SOUND)

WE’LL RETURN WITH
SID ROTH AND IT’S

SUPERNATURAL RIGHT AFTER
THIS.

(SWOOSH SOUND) [MUSIC♪]

SID: HELLO, I’M SID ROTH,
YOUR INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER,

AND WE’RE DOING SOMETHING
WE’VE NEVER DONE BEFORE ON

IT’S SUPERNATURAL.

MY GUEST, HER IDENTITY IS
COMPLETELY DISGUISED,

HER VOICE IS ALTERED,
BECAUSE SHE IS AN

EX-SATANIST.

SHE UNDERSTANDS WHAT IT IS
FROM BABY BEING RITUALLY

ABUSED, AND THERE’S SOME
INSIGHTS AND SOME PEOPLE

THAT GOD IS GOING TO SET
FREE BECAUSE SHE HAS BEEN

SET FREE.

SHE KNOWS THE TRUTH AND
THERE ARE SO MANY PEOPLE

THAT ARE CAPTIVE RIGHT
NOW.

DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA OF
THE NUMBERS?

WOMAN: NO, IT WOULD
PROBABLY BE STAGGERING

BECAUSE OF THE ONES THAT
HAVE BEEN IN GENERATIONAL

TIES AND FOR THOSE WHO
HAVE BEEN PULLED INTO

CEREMONIES.

THERE ARE CHILDREN RAISED
TO BE BREEDERS AND USED IN

DIFFERENT FORMS THAT ARE
TIED TO IT AND DON’T

BELIEVE THAT THERE’S A WAY
OUT.

SID: WAS THERE A POINT
WHERE YOU DID NOT BELIEVE

THERE WAS ANY WAY OUT?

WOMAN: YES.

THERE WAS A POINT THAT WAS
EXTREMELY SCARY AND IT WAS

A POINT WHERE I WAS BEING
PULLED BOTH WAYS,

BOTH BY THE CULT AND BY
WHEN I KNEW WHAT I WAS

SEEING IN CHRISTIANITY AND
WHAT WAS REALLY HAPPENING

HERE AT BETHEL.

ONE TIME IN PARTICULAR WAS
WHEN I REALIZED THAT THERE

WERE PEOPLE BEING HEALED
ALL OVER THE SANCTUARY AND

YET THE CULT ONLY HAS THE
POWER WITHIN THEIR CIRCLE,

AND I COULDN’T UNDERSTAND
THAT AND THAT WAS ONE OF

THE PULLS THAT ACTUALLY…

SID: EXCUSE ME, WHAT DO
YOU MEAN THEY WERE BEING

HEALED ALL OVER THE
SANCTUARY AND THE CULT

ONLY HAS AUTHORITY IN
THEIR CIRCLE?

WHAT DO YOU MEAN BY THEIR
CIRCLE?

WOMAN: THE CULTISTS HAVE
THIS CIRCLE THEY USE AS

THEIR CIRCLE OF POWER, AND
IN THE CHRISTIAN CHURCH

PEOPLE WERE BEING HEALED
ALL OVER THE SANCTUARY.

THERE WERE PEOPLE WITH
MIRACLES OCCURRING,

AND I COULDN’T ACCOUNT FOR
THAT AND THAT WAS THE REAL

TURNING POINT.

SID: SO YOU’RE TELLING ME
IT’S A GREATER POWER IN

CHRISTIANITY THAN IN
SATANISM.

WOMAN: ABSOLUTELY.

SID: I KNOW THAT, BUT I
LIKE TO HEAR IT!

TELL ME ABOUT YOUR
BACKGROUND.

DID YOUR WERE YOUR PARENTS
INTO SATANISM?

WOMAN: MY PARENTS AND MY
GRANDPARENTS AND IT’S

GENERATIONAL BACK THROUGH
HISTORY.

WE HAD TIES WITH ABOUT 12
DIFFERENT TYPES OF CULTS.

SID: IS THAT TYPICAL, MANY
GENERATIONS OF SATANISM?

WOMAN: IT’S TYPICAL TO BE
GENERATIONAL.

IT’S NOT TYPICAL TO BE
INVOLVED WITH THAT MANY

DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS
WITHIN THE CULTS.

SID: BUT THE THING I DON’T
QUITE UNDERSTAND IS,

YOU WERE SOUTHERN
BAPTISTS;

VERY RELIGIOUS, IF YOU
WILL,

DURING THE DAY AND INTO
RITUAL ABUSE OF SATAN AT

NIGHT.

HOW ARE THE TWO
COMPATIBLE?

WOMAN: THEY AREN’T,
BECAUSE THEY ARE SO

OPPOSITE.

WHAT THEY HAD DONE FROM
THE TIME I WAS AN INFANT

WAS THEY DIVIDED MY MIND
WHERE I HAD A PART OF ME

THAT WAS INVOLVED IN THE
CULT AND A PART OF MY MIND

THAT COULDN’T ACCEPT THAT
KIND OF SITUATION THAT

KEPT ME NORMAL DURING THE
DAY TIME,

AND I WAS RAISED TO MAKE
THE APPEARANCE OF GOOD IN

MY FAMILY.

SID: WHAT WAS YOUR
FATHER’S BACKGROUND?

WOMAN: HE WAS FROM A
QUAKER-SOUTHERN BAPTIST

BACKGROUND.

SID: AND WHAT WAS HIS
BACKGROUND IN SATANISM?

WOMAN: HE WAS IN
LEADERSHIP.

SID: OKAY, WHY WOULD A
SATANIST WANT TO BE IN A

STAUNCH FUNDAMENTALIST
SOUTHERN BAPTIST CHURCH?

WOMAN: THIS IS TYPICAL;
THAT THEY WILL HAVE A

FRONT THAT WILL MAKE THEM
LOOK NORMAL TO SOCIETY.

A LOT OF THE LEADERSHIP IN
DIFFERENT ORGANIZATIONS

THROUGHOUT THE UNITED
STATES AND CHURCHES

THROUGHOUT THE UNITED
STATES ALSO ARE VERY

HEAVILY INVOLVED IN THE
CULT.

SID: WHAT WAS THE FIRST
TIME THAT YOU BEGAN TO

QUESTION WHAT WAS
HAPPENING TO YOU?

WOMAN: I THINK THERE WERE
DIFFERENT TIMES IN MY

LIFE.

WHEN I WAS IN COLLEGE I
REALIZED THERE WAS

SOMETHING FUNDAMENTALLY
WRONG BUT I COULDN’T TELL

WHAT IT WAS, AND AGAIN, AT
DIFFERENT POINTS WHEN I

HAD MY CHILDREN I KNEW
SOMETHING WAS VERY WRONG,

BUT I COULDN’T UNDERSTAND
WHY,

AND EVENTUALLY I DROPPED
OUT OF CHURCH BECAUSE I

WOULD FINISH THE SERVICE
AND I WOULD LEAVE SO

FRUSTRATED, AND YET I KNEW
PEOPLE HAD SOMETHING I

WANTED BUT I COULDN’T
FIGURE OUT WHAT WAS WRONG

IN MY LIFE THAT I COULDN’T
FEEL AS HAPPY AND

SATISFIED IN JESUS AS THEY
WERE.

AND SO THAT WAS A POINT IN
TIME WHERE I KNEW

SOMETHING HAD TO BE
DIFFERENT.

I LEFT CHURCH FOR AN
ENTIRE SUMMER AND THEN IN

THE FALL I WENT TO A
CHRISTIAN COFFEE HOUSE.

SID: WHY DID YOU GO TO THE
CHRISTIAN COFFEE HOUSE?

WOMAN: I WAS JUST GOING TO
BUY A CARD AND I REALLY

KNEW SOMETHING WAS WRONG,
BUT I COULDN’T REALLY

DISCERN WHAT IT WAS.

I THOUGHT, I’LL JUST GO BY
THERE.

MAYBE THERE’S A BOOK.

MAYBE THERE’S SOMETHING
THAT WILL HELP.

SID: SO YOU WERE REALLY
REACHING OUT FOR HELP.

WOMAN: YES.

SID: JUST OUT OF
CURIOSITY,

WAS THERE ANYONE THAT YOU
KNOW OF TODAY THAT WAS

PRAYING FOR YOU TO COME
OUT OF SATANISM?

WOMAN: I THINK THERE WERE
PEOPLE PRAYING FOR ME BUT

NOT NECESSARILY TO COME
OUT OF SATANISM BECAUSE

MOST OF MY CLOSE FRIENDS
DIDN’T HAVE AN IDEA THAT

THIS WAS EVEN HAPPENING.

I HAD PEOPLE WHO PRAYED,
YOU KNOW,

THROUGHOUT THE YEARS, BUT
WHEN I LEFT THE CHURCH,

WHAT HAPPENED WAS I HAD
BEEN PROGRAMMED WITH HYMNS

AND IN THE FUNDAMENTAL
CHURCHES THE HYMNS WERE

REINFORCING WHAT THEY HAD
TAUGHT ME IN THE CULTS.

SID: LET ME SEE IF I
UNDERSTAND THIS.

YOU WERE PROGRAMMED WITH
HYMNS WITH EVIL ATTACHED

WITH IT, BUT THEY WERE
GOOD CHRISTIAN HYMNS,

SO THAT WHEN YOU WOULD GO
TO CHURCH AND HEAR THESE

HYMNS, YOU WOULD THINK
ABOUT THINGS IN SATANISM.

WOMAN: THAT’S CORRECT.

SID: WHY WOULD THEY DO
THAT?

WOMAN: THEY DO THAT TO
DEFILE ANYTHING HAVING TO

DO WITH CHRISTIANITY, TO
MAKE IT WHERE CHRISTIANITY

WOULDN’T WORK FOR PEOPLE
WHO HAVE BEEN RAISED

GENERATIONALLY.

‘AMAZING GRACE’ IS ONE I
THINK OF,

AND THEY DID HORRIBLE
THINGS DURING THE TIME

THAT ‘AMAZING GRACE’ WAS
SUNG,

SO EVERY TIME I WAS IN A
CHURCH SERVICE AND THEY

WOULD SING IT, THEN I
WOULD HAVE THESE HORRIBLE

FEELINGS OF TERROR,
FRIGHT,

OF JUST CONFUSION, OF NOT
KNOWING WHAT WAS WRONG BUT

KNOWING SOMETHING WAS VERY
WRONG.

SID: YOU KNOW, THE THOUGHT
THAT WAS CROSSING MY MIND

IS, WHEN GOD DOES NEW
THINGS,

AND RIGHT NOW HE’S UP TO
SOMETHING NEW RIGHT HERE

AT BETHEL CHURCH AND MANY
CHURCHES THROUGHOUT THE

WORLD, HE HAS MUSIC.

IT MUST FOUL THE SATANISTS
UP!

THEY CAN’T, YOU KNOW,
BRAINWASH YOU WITH THE

NEW!

THEY CAN ONLY BRAINWASH
YOU WITH THE OLD.

WOMAN: THAT’S CORRECT.

IT’S CAUSING CONFUSION FOR
THEM BECAUSE THEY DON’T

KNOW WHAT TO DO IN
SITUATIONS WHERE PEOPLE

AREN’T HEARING THOSE
FUNDAMENTAL HYMNS.

IT’S NOT REINFORCING IT,
AND THAT’S MAKING IT MORE

PREVALENT FOR PEOPLE TO
REMEMBER THINGS TO DO WITH

THE CULT.

SID: WHAT HAPPENED AT THIS
COFFEE HOUSE?

WOMAN: OKAY, THIS WAS A
CHANGE IN MY LIFE BECAUSE

I WAS SITTING HAVING A CUP
OF COFFEE AND WRITING A

CARD TO A FRIEND WHEN A
MAN CAME UP AND STARTED

SPEAKING INTO MY LIFE AND
TALKING ABOUT THINGS THAT

I HAD DONE.

SID: HOW DID HE KNOW?

WOMAN: HE HAD THE GIFT OF
PROPHECY,

EVENTUALLY I FOUND OUT.

SID: NOW, WHAT HE TOLD
YOU,

WAS THAT WAS HE HITTING A
BULLS-EYE?

WOMAN: HE WAS ABSOLUTELY
100% CORRECT.

HE TALKED ABOUT DIFFERENT
THINGS,

DIFFERENT ACTIVITIES I HAD
BEEN INVOLVED IN.

HE TALKED VERY SPECIFIC,
AND IT WASN’T

GENERALITIES.

IT WAS ABSOLUTELY WE USED
ALL THREE HEALINGS WITHIN

A CERTAIN PERIOD OF TIME
AND HE WAS JUST DEAD-ON IN

WHAT HE WAS SAYING, AND IT
SCARED ME.

SID: WHY’D IT SCARE YOU?

HOLD THAT THOUGHT.

TELL YOU WHAT, WE’LL COME
BACK IN JUST A MOMENT.

DON’T GO AWAY.

[MUSIC♪]

(SWOOSH SOUND)

WE’LL RETURN WITH
SID ROTH AND IT’S

SUPERNATURAL RIGHT AFTER
THIS.

(SWOOSH SOUND) [MUSIC♪]

SID: HELLO, I’M SID ROTH,
YOUR INVESTIGATIVE REPORTER

AND I’M INTERVIEWING
AN EX-SATANIST,

AND BECAUSE OF SECURITY,
WE ARE DISGUISING HER

APPEARANCE AND HER VOICE.

YOU WERE TELLING ME THAT
IN A WAY YOU WERE REACHING

OUT FOR HELP, AND YOU WENT
INTO A CHRISTIAN COFFEE

HOUSE AND SOMEONE CAME UP
TO YOU.

YOU DIDN’T KNOW HIM AT ALL
AND HE,

AS WE LIKE TO SAY, ‘READ
YOUR MAIL’.

HOW DID YOU FEEL WHEN HE
KNEW THESE THINGS ABOUT

YOUR LIFE?

WOMAN: IT ABSOLUTELY
TERRIFIED ME BECAUSE I HAD

NOT GROWN UP NEAR ANYONE
WHO SPOKE PROPHECY,

AND SO I CALLED A FRIEND
AND SHE TOLD ME IT WAS

GOD; I NEED TO LISTEN.

SID: AND WERE YOU HAPPY,
AFRAID?

WHAT WAS GOING ON INSIDE
OF YOU?

WOMAN: I WAS ABSOLUTELY
TERRIFIED.

I JUST THOUGHT, WHAT IS
GOD DOING AND WHY IS THIS

HAPPENING?

SID: AND THEN YOU SAW A
CHRISTIAN TELEVISION SHOW.

WHY ARE YOU WATCHING A
CHRISTIAN TELEVISION SHOW?

WOMAN: THAT NIGHT I KNEW
SOMETHING HAD HAPPENED THE

DAY BEFORE, AND SO THE
NEXT DAY I WAS WATCHING A

CHRISTIAN SHOW, JUST KIND
OF SEARCHING,

TRYING TO FIGURE OUT WHAT
WAS GOING ON,

AND I HAD A VISION.

SID: A VISION?

WOMAN: A VISION.

SID: WAS THIS FROM GOD?

WOMAN: I DIDN’T KNOW WHAT
IT WAS AT FIRST.

SID: WHAT WAS IT?

WOMAN: I CALLED BETHEL AND
ASKED IF THERE WAS SOMEONE

HERE THAT COULD GIVE ME
INFORMATION AND TELL ME

POSSIBLY WHAT HAD
HAPPENED,

AND WHEN I I KNEW THAT IF
I CAME HERE,

I’D PROBABLY NEVER COME
BACK AGAIN AND I WOULD

NEVER RUN INTO THESE
PEOPLE AGAIN AND BE

EMBARRASSED BY HAVING SUCH
A WEIRD QUESTION,

AND SO THE PERSON I SPOKE
TO WAS ONE OF THE PASTORS

AND HE SAID, NO, THIS IS
FROM GOD AND YOU NEED TO

DECIDE IF IT’S FOR YOU OR
IT’S CORPORATE.

AND THAT WAS A POINT WHERE
I KNEW GOD WAS DOING

SOMETHING AND IT WAS
SOMETHING I COULDN’T

UNDERSTAND.

SID: COULD YOU TELL ME THE
VISION?

WOMAN: I HAD A VISION OF A
VASE,

AND THE VASE WAS JUST
SHATTERED,

AND THEN THE VASE HAD LOTS
OF HANDS AROUND IT AND IT

WAS IN PLASTER.

AND THEN I COULD SEE THE
CHIPPING AWAY OF THE VASE.

THEN I SAW THE VASE AND IT
HAD,

LIKE, A RAINBOW AND IT HAD
A DOVE COMING OUT OF IT

WITH JUST A STREAM OF
WATER GOING IN,

AND AT THAT TIME I DIDN’T
KNOW WHAT IT WAS,

BUT I KNEW IT WAS
SOMETHING POWERFUL.

SID: I DON’T NEED A
SUPERNATURAL REVELATION TO

KNOW WHAT THAT IS.

NOW, YOU CAME HERE FOR
COUNSELING.

WOMAN: THAT’S CORRECT.

SID: AND AFTER A PERIOD OF
COUNSELING,

MANY PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN
UNDER RITUAL ABUSE HAVE

BLOCKED, AS A FORM OF
PROTECTION,

THE HORRIBLE THINGS
THEY’VE GONE THROUGH AND

THEY DON’T EVEN REMEMBER
THEM.

WAS THAT TRUE IN YOUR
CASE?

WOMAN: THAT WAS 100% TRUE.

I HAD NO IDEA.

I HAD A VERY NORMAL LIFE,
WAS ACTIVE IN COMMUNITY

EVENTS, ACTIVE IN CHURCH,
HAD GONE TO A CHRISTIAN

COLLEGE AND KNEW SOMETHING
WAS WRONG BUT DIDN’T KNOW

WHAT IT WAS UNTIL I
STARTED HAVING MEMORIES OF

A RITUAL.

SID: HOW DOES IT FEEL NOW
TO BE FREE?

WOMAN: ABSOLUTELY
WONDERFUL.

I HAVE SORROW OVER THE
YEARS I’VE LOST,

BUT I ALSO HAVE INCREDIBLE
JOY.

SID: WELL, LET ME ASK YOU
A VERY POINTED QUESTION

FOR A REASON.
[MUSIC♪]

WHAT HAPPENS IF YOU HEAR A
SONG THAT PERHAPS YOU WERE

PROGRAMMED TO TIE IN WITH
SATANISM,

AS YOU HAD EXPLAINED
EARLIER,

THAT USED CHRISTIAN HYMNS
WHEN THEY’RE DOING THE

ABUSE AND TO BRAINWASH YOU
AGAINST CHRISTIANITY IN

KIND OF A PERVERSE
FASHION?

WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU HEAR
A SONG LIKE ‘AMAZING

GRACE’?
[AMAZING GRACE INSTRUMENTAL♪]

WOMAN: YOU KNOW, IT’S BEEN
RECLAIMED FOR GOD RIGHT

NOW.

I HAVE SORROW OVER THE
YEARS THAT I LOST AND THEY

WAY THAT THEY HAVE USED
IT,

BUT I HAVE INCREDIBLE JOY
AND INCREDIBLE DEPTH OF

FEELING FOR THE SONGS.

THEY HAVE A SIGNIFICANCE
THAT I’M SURE A LOT OF

PEOPLE WOULD UNDERSTAND.

SID: YOU TOLD ME THAT
THERE WAS ONE POWER IN A

CHRISTIAN CHURCH THAT
OVERCAME EVERYTHING THE

DEVIL HAD, AND IT’S A WORD
THAT WE HAVE IN THE BIBLE.

IT’S CALLED ‘LOVE’.

HOW WAS THIS DEMONSTRATED
TO YOU HERE AT BETHEL?

WOMAN: WHEN I CAME TO
BETHEL I COULDN’T

UNDERSTAND THE PEOPLE HERE
BECAUSE THEY WOULD HUG YOU

AND THAT’S SOMETHING THAT
I DIDN’T DO.

I WAS VERY RESERVED.

I DIDN’T UNDERSTAND THAT
KIND OF LOVE AND THERE WAS

A POINT WHERE THINGS
BECAME VERY HARD BECAUSE

OF THE DIFFERENT ABUSE
THAT THEY WERE USING AND I

JUST WANTED TO GIVE UP AND
QUIT.

AND PASTOR ALAN AND HIS
SECRETARY BOTH TOLD ME

THAT MORNING, YOU KNOW, IF
YOU LEAVE,

WE’RE STILL GOING TO LOVE
YOU.

WE’RE STILL GOING TO PRAY
FOR YOU AND WE’RE GOING TO

PRAY YOUR PROTECTION.

AND THE LOVE IS WHAT KEPT
DRAWING ME BACK.

IF I COULDN’T UNDERSTAND
ANYTHING ELSE,

I KNEW THERE WAS SOMETHING
IN THE LOVE HERE.

SID: AND WHAT HAPPENS WHEN
CHRISTIANS ARE REALLY

WORSHIPING GOD TO A
PRACTICING SATANIST THAT

MIGHT BE INFILTRATING A
CHURCH?

WOMAN: THE HARDEST PART
FOR SATAN IN A CHURCH IS

WHEN THERE’S PRAISE.

THE POWER OF THE CHRISTIAN
COMMUNITY IS IN THE PRAISE

TO GOD.

THERE’S NOBODY BEING DOWN
AND BEING MOURNFUL AND

‘WOE IS ME’.

IT’S ACTUALLY IN THE
PRAISE AND IN THE SINGING

AND IN THE WORSHIP.

AND THAT’S A TIME AND A
LOT OF TIMES YOU’LL SEE

PEOPLE WHO ARE IN THE CULT
LEAVING BECAUSE THEY DON’T

KNOW HOW TO HANDLE IT.

SID: YOU ALSO TOLD ME THAT
IN SATANISM THERE ARE A

LOT OF THINGS DONE THAT
ARE ALMOST COUNTERFEITS OF

AUTHENTIC CHRISTIANITY.

GIVE ME AN EXAMPLE.

WOMAN: THEY TAKE ANYTHING
THAT IS IMPORTANT IN

CHRISTIANITY AND
ABSOLUTELY DESTROY THE

FEELINGS TOWARD THAT.

FOR INSTANCE, THE THINGS
USED IN COMMUNION ARE USED

IN THE CULT IN SUCH A WAY
THAT THEY ARE NEGATIVE.

SID: I HAVE TO ASK YOU
THIS QUESTION.

WHILE YOU WERE BEING
COUNSELED,

YOU WERE IN A VULNERABLE
STATE AND THEY ACTUALLY

CAME TO THE CHURCH AND
PULLED YOU OUT.

WHERE YOU STAND RIGHT NOW,
WOULD YOU EVER TOUCH

ANYTHING OF RITUAL ABUSE
OR SATANISM?

WOMAN: I WOULD NEVER GO
BACK TO ANYTHING HAVING TO

DO WITH THE CULT IN ANY
WAY.

SID: AND IF YOU COULD GIVE
ONE THOUGHT TO ONE PERSON

THAT’S A PRACTICING
SATANIST,

WHAT WOULD IT BE?

WOMAN: THAT THE LOVE OF
GOD AND THE CHRISTIAN

MOVEMENT IS SO MUCH MORE
POWERFUL.

IT’S STRONGER AND IT’S
DEFINITELY WORTH ANY

CHANGES THAT YOU WOULD
HAVE TO GO THROUGH.

SID: IS THERE HOPE FOR
EVERY PERSON IN CULTS AND

SATANISM?

WOMAN: THERE IS JUST AN
INCREDIBLE JOY.

THERE’S INCREDIBLE
FORGIVENESS FROM JESUS AND

THE FATHER GOD, AND I
WOULD RECOMMEND THAT

ANYONE WHO IS IN SATANISM
STOP AND LOOK AT THE

POWER.

GO INTO THE CHURCHES AND
CHALLENGE IT.

GO IN THEIR PRAYER LIFE
AND LET PEOPLE PRAY FOR

YOU AND SEE WHAT HAPPENS.

IF YOU DON’T THINK IT’S
REAL,

TRY IT.

SID: I DON’T HAVE ANYTHING
TO COMMENT BEYOND THAT.

I WANT YOU TO KNOW THAT IT
IS REAL!

HE IS REAL!

HE’S REAL!

JESUS IS THE ANSWER TO
EVERY PROBLEM YOU HAVE.

NOT RELIGION; JESUS.

GET IT?
KNOWING HIM, INTIMACY