Bill Johnson talks about food, covid, and other matters. Sharing from Romans 14 and other scripture, Bill emphasizes the importance of living according to our own faith, while protecting the conscience of those around us. Bill relates it to covid and how we are called to love and honor one another in these times despite differing convictions.
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so funny
um i’m going to talk today
on a subject that i’ve actually never
taught him before
and it’s a little bit odd for me
paul dealt with this subject
in at least four
major portions of scripture that i can
think of in the epistles in romans and
first corinthians
and first timothy and there’s probably
more but that’s what comes to mind
offhand
and it’s about food
but it’s not about food
it’s like he uses this
subject that was very pertinent in that
day because they had
you know food that was sacrificed to
idols and they had all kinds of weird
things going on dietarily and plus
they’re coming out of judaism where they
had certain standards for eating etc and
they’ve got new converts with certain
convictions about what they should do in
that so there there’s that there’s that
dealing with that issue
but there was such a bigger issue at
stake
that uh that he was dealing with so so
i’m i’m going to mess around with that a
little bit
and i’d like to give honor before i
start to the vegetarians who are part of
bethel just want you know i love you you
are the most forgiving group of people
i’ve ever met
you are still half here after all the
years
of my
ridiculing etc
yeah i started with the bacon i’ve got
one more and then i’ll get it out of my
system and we’ll be good i i found this
verse
chris just said oh no but this is i’m
i’m going to quote the verse my
interpretation is correct i’m just
telling you offhand it’s it’s right
solomon
the wisest man before
jesus said
vegetables
where there’s love
is better than a fattened ox where
there’s hatred
it takes hatred to make beef less than a
vegetable
[Applause]
is is that not a correct interpretation
i’m sticking with it i’m telling you i’m
sticking with you
i want you to turn to two we’re going to
read three portions three of the four
that i uh
have made reference to we’re going to
read two of them to start with and then
we’ll end with a third piece
and do have your bibles open because i
want you to follow in your own
uh in your own bibles the first one is
first timothy chapter four
and the second one is first corinthians
chapter 10. put your finger in first
corinthians 10 because we’ll come back
to it right
first timothy 4.
and then first corinthians chapter 10.
we’ll end up in romans 14 but this is
where
i want us to start
uh as i as i told
everyone in the first service i’m kind
of experimenting walking through this
this subject
um so just just kind of bear with me and
follow with me as we as we look at the
scripture because i i love
i love the obvious truths that are
proclaimed in scripture and i’m i
fantasized the wrong word i
i’m captivated by the truth that’s
behind the obvious truth
there’s there’s stuff behind it
sometimes that is this so deep and so
profound and so necessary for us to see
where that came from because he’s not
just dealing with a cultural problem
he’s dealing with a value system
that uh is huge it’s significant for us
so
let’s uh let’s go ahead and start with
the first timothy chapter four
um verse one says now the spirit
expressly says
in the latter times some will depart
from the faith
giving heed to deceiving spirits
doctrines of demons
speaking lies in hypocrisy
having their own conscience seared by
the way your conscience isn’t the voice
of god
it’s a fascinating thing it’s an
important part of life and it can become
seared but it’s almost like the canvas
that the spirit of god writes on
if if that makes sense
um you you want to protect your
conscience a clean conscience is an
extremely valuable thing
it’s it’s where we pick up that which
god is impressing upon our hearts so
that’s just enough to create confusion
so let’s move on
um
speaking lies and hypocrisy having their
own conscience seared with a hot iron
forbidding to marry
commanding to abstain from foods which
god created to be received with
thanksgiving
by those who believe and know the truth
all right
look at it again commanding the
deception is to command people to
abstain from foods which god
created to be received with thanksgiving
by those who believe and know the truth
and here’s the truth for every creature
of god is good and nothing is to be
refused if it is received with
thanksgiving
for it is sanctified
cleansed made pure
by the word of god and prayer
a thankful heart
prayer does something to
sanctify if you will
even food so here paul’s making a
statement he says all right
don’t call anything that god made to be
eaten
evil
it’s interesting when peter had this
vision of the unclean animals the word
of the lord was don’t call unclean what
i’ve called clean and of course he’s
talking about ministry to the gentiles
but he used a natural illustration and
here’s the point if it’s not true in the
natural it’s illegitimate to use for the
spiritual
that was a good point bill all right
it has to it has to be true in the in
the natural for it to carry weight to
describe something in the spiritual
i’ll just leave it
all right
so here he makes this statement
these things are good these things are
clean this is what truth is all food
is to be enjoyed now go with me to first
corinthians 10
and let’s read uh let’s read some out of
this this chapter we’re going to go all
the way down
to verse 23.
all things are lawful for me but not all
things are helpful all things are lawful
for me but not all things edify
let no one seek his own but each one the
other’s well-being
eat whatever is sold in the meat market
asking no questions for conscience sake
for the earth is the lord’s
and its fullness
if any of those
who do not believe invite you to dinner
and you desire to go eat whatever is set
before you ask no questions for
conscience sake but if someone says to
you this was offered to idols don’t eat
it for the sake of the one who told you
and for conscience sake
for the earth is the lord all its
fullness verse 29 conscience i did not
say your own but that of the other for
why should my liberty be judged by
another person’s conscience
all right
this is a
this is kind of a strange portion of
scripture to me
we don’t have the cultural setting that
they have
most of you don’t have neighbors that
sacrifice their goat
to some demon god
most of you
some of you out in some of the outskirts
you might but
just yep
not naming names all right
seriously you don’t have neighbors that
sacrifice
animals to foreign gods false gods
demons
but in this particular culture that
would have been normal and the point was
don’t violate conscience by asking where
it came from because once you find out
it was sacrificed to devils you can’t
eat it but then he goes on to say it’s
not to protect your conscience because
that thing can’t defile you because you
sanctify with prayer you sanctify with
thankfulness
do it for the sake of the person who
invited you to the meal so here’s an
interesting thing you’ve got a person in
this case who is an unbeliever and yet
you are
are asked to live by a certain standard
to protect what remains of their
conscience
the whole focus of of this study if you
study in the
in several passages that i’ve referred
to in others you’ll find that the the
effort was to protect what remains of a
conscience in an individual or in the
case of a believer faith although in
some cases it’s weak faith
what stands out to me i’ve been
pondering this one for uh in recent uh
weeks
it says jesus
wouldn’t extinguish a dimly burning wick
what does that mean you’ve got a candle
that’s got just a tiny little flame it
looks like it could go out any moment he
won’t breathe carelessly in the
direction of that flame why because he
lives in protection of what remains
it is possible when we insist on our own
rights our own liberties our own
privileges
to in the process destroy the work of
god and actually extinguish a dimly
burning wick
all for the sake
of our rights
satan was one of the three arch angels
there was saint lucifer
gabriel and michael
he was booted out of heaven
for this reason
he became caught up in his own glory can
i say he lost sight of the glory of god
became caught up with his own glory
that god created him with
and wanted to be worshipped equal to or
above god himself
when he lost sight of god’s glory
he caught a glimpse of his own
significance
and moved into demanding his own rights
satan is the father of entitlement
is the father of entitlement because
once the subject turns from
from responsibility
as a child in the kingdom
to what my rights are
it doesn’t matter what reason you use
it cannot end well without repentance
alexander solzhenitsyn the great russian
novelist came to america goodness i
think it was back in the
70s
and he spoke at a university i don’t
remember which one it was a graduation i
think was harvard harvard yale one of
those
and when they introduced him of course
he’s uh
he was this courageous courageous man
and writer that really confronted the
evils of the culture that he lived in
and he took the podium and he gave his
speech and i just remember one
part of his speech
and he said in so many words he said the
decline of american culture is because
you have emphasized
rights above responsibilities
the decline of any culture
when a people become empowered here’s
the challenge of having a
constitutional republic where we are all
given the privilege and the right to
vote is we actually can vote for our
benefit and not for what’s right for the
country
the focus shifts now sometimes they’re
the same but they’re not always
and the focus shifts from
what is
is best for the overall well-being of a
church family a local family
or a city a nation whatever it might be
is to make decisions that are actually
the best for all
and that begins to diminish the more we
become
trapped with that spirit and it is a
demon
that spirit of entitlement
where we become caught up with our own
significance and our right to have
expression and
you know
i’ve said for years if jesus doesn’t
defend me i’m not worth defending i’ve
added a new one to the if he doesn’t
promote me i’m not worth promoting
because any anything you obtain through
self-promotion you’ll have to sustain
through self-promotion it takes a lot of
work to sustain what you obtained in the
fight of being recognized for who you
are in your gifting
it may sound good and i’ll tell you
there’ll be people all around you that
will applaud you for taking a bold stand
but it’s exhausting
it’s it’s it’s like inflating a a beach
ball that has a hole in it you have to
just keep pumping it to keep it up keep
it alive to keep it up a bit filled you
have to just keep pumping away and keep
it filled
and self-promotion is that it’s got a
leak because it has a faulty standard
it really comes down to
a failure in the heart of god’s people
to actually trust god to do what he said
he would do that he would actually do
the promotion or the provision or the
open door or the whatever it is is at
the right time in due season these
things happen
jesus came to earth in the fullness of
time
it was a specifically set time in which
everything was perfectly set for his
coming and there are certain times where
jesus would burst forth in your life and
in mind in a perfectly suited time
but sometimes we
try to speed up the process and we ended
up we end up with something much less
than what god intended
it’s true
all right
um
first corinthians 10 we’re still there
i think so
i’m still there i don’t know where you
are but i’m still there
all right so
uh verse 29 conscience i say not of your
own but that of the other why is my
liberty judged by another person’s
conscience let me i need to make a
comment here that i wish i didn’t need
to make but culturally we just need to
we have people who
who
say they follow us
but they use our statements on liberty
and our determination to not allow
ourselves to be judged by any other
people
they use our statements on freedom
to
fund and fuel and support deviant sexual
lifestyles
that are in opposition to scripture and
they claim to be
following us and came to that conclusion
they didn’t get there by following us
it’s it’s forbidden in scripture
and to use
a term of liberty
outside of context to support a sin
lifestyle
is is the evidence of a seared
conscience
and uh so i i just you know i i just
want to throw that out because i
i i
i i get saddened by those who will use
our name your name whatever
uh to support their lifestyle and uh
all right let’s move on
good point bill let’s move on
hurry bill move on
verse 30 if i partake with thanks why am
i evil spoke enough for the food over
which i give thanks
whatever you eat or drink whatever you
do duel to the glory of god all right
now let’s go to one more portion and i
want you go to romans 14.
romans 14. how many of you have your
bibles
i want to see them how many of you love
your bibles i love my bible
i love my all right
romans
14. romans 14 verse 1
receive one who is weak in faith
but not to disputes over doubtful things
for one who believes he made all
things but he who is weak eats only
vegetables
now
[Applause]
i didn’t write that
[Applause]
although some of you would blame me for
writing it i did not write that
in all seriousness i don’t believe he’s
condemning a vegetarian lifestyle
he’s is condemning the fact that there
are people that have those kinds of
disciplines
that believe
this discipline is the standard for all
and it gives them extra favor with god
that’s the deception all right so
as much as i like to use this
to support my
all right back to the scripture here
let me read it again he who is weak only
eats vegetables all right
verse 33
let not him who eats despise him who
does not eat
let not him who does not eat judge him
who eats
for god has received him
let’s read that again verse 3
let not him who wears a mask
despise him who does not wear a mask
let not him who does not wear a mask
despise him who wears a mask
does it does it not have masks in your
translation
[Applause]
well here’s the amplifier
the the bill johnson amplified
let not him who gets a vaccine
despise him who does not get a vaccine
let not him who does not get a vaccine
judge him who gets a vaccine listen
honestly
the issue is shaky
put aside all the arguments debates for
our various opinions put all that aside
for a moment there is a greater issue at
stake
there are dimly burning wicks in the
room
and even though i don’t believe
in
now we’re not talking about moral
lifestyle we’re talking about just the
personal disciplines applications of
following jesus
even though i don’t believe and i can
point to scripture to say
i’m right in this thing it is my
responsibility i am compelled to stand
in their defense so that that dimly
burning wick is not extinguished
in fact we actually according to this
chapter especially we become stewards of
another person’s conscience stewards of
another person’s faith
now
it says
without trying to be funny here it says
the meat eater is strong
the vegetable eater is weak
amen
we can be in faith
i’m trying i’m really trying
just follow my follow my thinking here
the the meat eater
in in this context
has greater faith than the one
who doesn’t believe they can eat meat
because they would be
unacceptable before god all right it’s
not lifestyle choice it’s it’s that
perception all right so they’re weaker
in faith
the stronger are always required to
sacrifice more for the weaker
we do it as parents we do whatever we
can
i i saw i didn’t see i i heard uh
i think it was actually on a radio show
a gal was talking about she was driving
down the street with her elderly mother
and she had to slam on the brakes and
she found herself putting her arm out in
front of her elderly mother so that she
wouldn’t hurt herself in the in that
having slamming on the brakes and then
she remembered all the times as a little
girl when it was the mother in that role
who did that for her
the point being the stronger works to
defend the weaker it’s the way life
works
and if
you the
meat eater
or in this case the one who feels you
have
greater biblical strength behind your
personal discipline whatever that might
be
mask or vaccine or who knows a thousand
other things
if you were the one who believe you have
the insight from the lord then you are
the one
to pay the most to protect the one who
differs from you
it’s it’s defending
the flame
it’s it’s protecting the conscience
it never means agreeing with a lie it
never means it never means endorsing
something that’s not true
but what it does mean is we we come into
a place where we we learn this gift
chris teaches on this quite a bit on the
discerning of spirits we’ve come to
recognize that discern the gift of
discerning of spirits
discerning the spiritual is not just a
gift to recognize demonic activity
it’s actually spirit recognizing spirit
so so in other words
in a conversation i see that the person
i’m talking to really
cannot eat
meat i’m going to use that as an example
cannot eat meat without believing
that they would really grieve the heart
of god
there are moments for that kind of a
discussion but in this tender moment
that’s not it
wisdom says that’s not it in this moment
i have to honor and celebrate
this person’s conscience
and this person’s
expression of faith
i like the fact now now we have almost
everybody not wearing a mask but i like
the fact that through the journey
we we still have people in the school
every every school ministry every week
that have mass guns and some don’t
i love the fact that they feel that kind
of a liberty
to do what they have a conscience
to do the issue isn’t the mask i’m not
saying there isn’t
there’s not medical reasons for all
kinds of things i’m not saying that i’m
just saying
there is a reason
for me to value and to celebrate
the uniqueness
of this person’s
faith
guardians of one another’s faith
guardians of one another’s conscience
now take a little we’ll go a little bit
farther in this uh in this dialogue
i want you to go with me down to verse
14.
you guys doing all right
you still have your bibles you didn’t
close them good all right
verse 14 i know and i’m convinced
by the lord jesus that there’s nothing
unclean of itself but to him who
considers anything to be unclean to him
it is unclean that’s interesting
this is a hard one in this season to
actually make practical up it’s much
easier to talk about sacrificing animals
to demonic gods in your neighbor’s
backyard
it’s a lot easier than it is to say
you got a vaccine you have a friend who
considers it unclean
it grieves their conscience
please protect them
and the other way
you’ve got a friend who
believes
with all their heart
that they’re
directed of the lord
to get that vaccine then you protect
them
you protect them
paul never sacrifices the right to meet
just in the presence of the one who
would be hurt
and damaged
he controls his personal activities to
protect
that’s the point
oh boy
verse 15 if your brother is grieved
because of your food you are no longer
walking in love here’s the scary part to
me
do not destroy with your food the one
for whom christ died
therefore do not let your good be spoken
of
as evil for the kingdom of god is not
eating and drinking but righteousness
peace and joy scripture that i quote
often this is the context
for he who serves christ in these things
is acceptable to god approved by men
let’s jump down to verse 21 it is good
neither to eat meat nor drink wine nor
do anything by which your brother
stumbles or is offended or is made weak
do you have faith
have it to yourself before god
happy is he who does not condemn himself
in what he approves
i don’t i don’t know if this is standing
out to you it seems like every other
line is worthy on camping on for a week
that’s you know happy is he who does not
condemn himself and what he approves
now this last verse
is the reason i wanted to talk to you
about everything that we’ve done
is to come to this last verse because
this last verse for me
is the sobering passage
he who doubts is condemned if he eats
because he does not eat from faith
whatever is not from faith is from sin
paul has already established eating meat
is biblically correct
it is not
bad theology to eat meat it’s actually
good theology to eat meat he establishes
that throughout this is right this is
good
and yet it’s possible for someone with a
weak conscience to approve of that
activity that is biblically accurate
and condemn themselves because they’ve
actually moved into
supporting something
that their own weakness of faith does
not allow
the priority here isn’t your diet the
priority here is how you manage your
heart for the well-being of other people
and here’s this last phrase for whatever
is not from faith is sin say that with
me whatever is not from faith is sin say
it again
whatever is not from faith is sin
there’s two absolutes in in the new
testament standards for the christian
life the old testament has many
different kinds of laws the new
testament has these two absolutes that
we can always make reference to the
first one there’s faith hope and love
the greatest of these is
love we know that love is the primary
standard did a set for each of us but
this
gives us the second standard
and that second standard is that
anything that is not from faith is sin
now probably most of us grew up with a
concept of sin
that sin
is doing the wrong thing
and yet for the believer
it takes on entirely new meaning because
you’ve been delivered from the wrong
thing
now we have a new standard to follow
people say oh i’m free from the law i’m
i’m under grace yeah grace requires more
but he can because he helps you
he he makes he makes it possible to live
in grace because he’s the enabler
freedom is not doing what you want
freedom is the ability to do what’s
right he enables and empowers for a
lifestyle that would be impossible apart
from him
that’s the evidence of grace
so here it is without faith
whatever’s not done in faith is sin
so that’s the opposite side the flip
side of that coin love is the greatest
whatever’s not done in faith is sin
galatians paul in galatians ties these
two together he says that faith works
through love
so love is supposed to be the vehicle
that faith rides in is delivered in
what’s the point
why is that phrase added at the end of
this chapter on food
i mean it almost seems funny but
it’s to me it’s it’s it’s like
you know what due north is where there’s
this reference point and everything else
relates to this one reference point this
statement for me is due north in this
chapter
because it is saying
if you the meat eater
persuade your non-meat-eating friend to
eat meat and they do so without faith
you’ve just caused them to stumble
because your goal was to make them like
you not to protect their conscience
your goal was to be proven right not to
be the defender of their flame
whatever is not from faith is sin
i believe that in this next season
because i feel like the lord has brought
chris’s heart and mind to mind many of
ours this whole thing of discerning of
spirits
that this is a theme for this next
season that we need desperately for many
many reasons many many reasons
but one of the reasons is because
we will be called upon
to defend
a flame
that is barely lit
and if and if we think it’s about us in
our opinion
we will walk by quickly and extinguish a
flame that should have been protected
we’ll spout off our opinions on this and
that and
and cause more harm than good
i don’t think this
is an invitation to
forget about the liberties or privileges
or assignments or responsibilities that
god that god’s given us
you don’t see that in the rest of
pulse
dialogue on this subject
but he does
describe the backbone
behind this way of thinking
it’s the fact that we have true
value
for another person’s conscience
in another person’s faith
pretty much it
why don’t you stand
[Applause]
well you just endured the experiment
i had
i’ve actually yeah i’ve actually wanted
to talk about this for a while and
yeah whatever
it’s
you know certain parts of the scripture
stand out more more than others and for
a while
paul’s
talking about eating and violating
conscience is what’s been standing up
for for this last whole season
and i i could feel the weightiness of
the lord but also um
uh
you you know when you’re inexperienced
in something there’s that fear and
trepidation
in a right sense of not mishandling
something
and and i have that sense even right now
because i i believe i believe we’re
supposed to take stands i believe
there’s a place where we take bold
stands for something we make our decrees
we there are mountains that we will die
on you know to protect something that
god has said or is doing i believe in
that
i
strongly believe in that we’re in a
season of great government overreach
that’s my opinion that’s all
i’m not vaccinated but if you follow me
you might die
don’t follow me follow me i’m serious
don’t follow me follow your faith follow
your faith that’s the whole point
holy faith get it settled before the
lord
get it settled before the lord
and follow your faith be open to input
all of that stuff but the the point is i
i don’t want
on an area that is this
shaded to me it’s a it’s a very gray
area
i don’t
i don’t want to make
bold statements
that are just my effort to be right
i in instead
i think taking the posture of protecting
conscience
protecting faith
giving place in our own hearts where we
celebrate
uniqueness there’s a time for defending
the mountain
i was going to mention
you know if if you don’t like
you know you go to a doctor’s office
don’t take your mask off just because
you think it’s your right that’s that’s
just dumb put the mask on
the poor reception that has to deal with
you just wants to keep her job
he said these are not policymakers
sometimes we we make the biggest scene
over the people who don’t make the rules
you know if if you don’t like to rule
write the person
write write the person write them a nice
letter
don’t blame jesus for your opinion
either
don’t don’t use scripture to prove
you’re right because they probably don’t
value the scripture
and
by honestly i know it sounds wrong but
don’t don’t write scripture to prove
you’re right
because unless you’re talking to a
brother
a sister
they’re not going to it and as soon as
you do that they can put you in a
category
and the whole reason that people want to
put others in categories is if i put you
in a category i no longer have to listen
to your voice
if i can categorize you i have silenced
you in my own thinking uh it’s just a
right-wing fundamentalist i was just a
left-wing liberal if i can categorize
you then suddenly i don’t have to listen
to you anymore because you’re one of
those
and when you when you write that kind of
a letter you you you
you get yourself categorized
so don’t blame it on jesus and don’t put
my name in there either
let’s
let’s get down to what’s really
important here
blame him before you blame me how’s that
all right you’ve been very patient let’s
pray
father again
i ask
for a grace for the discerning
of spirits that you would help us to
read the moments we’re in
that we could recognize when there’s a
dimly burning
flame when there’s a conscience to
defend
when there’s faith
to support
and that you’d help us to bring
healing to a city that’s just afraid
just afraid
help us to bring healing to a city
and lord we do pray as well our medical
community i need to i need to just say
i’ve said it many times over the last
year year and a half but our medical
community really are heroes
when there’s no pandemic they put their
life on the line every day for our
well-being
in the middle of this craziness
it multiplies it it amps it up times a
thousand
father we ask for special grace special
wisdom protection over their health
and a healing deliverance for our city
we pray
that this would be a city of divine
health we pray this in jesus name
amen all right