There are 2 ways people learn: through mentors or through mistakes. In this Mentoring Moment with Jentezen Franklin, he and Marcus Mecum discuss the highs and lows of ministry, life, family, and bouncing back from the pressure of the pandemic. It takes humility to ask for help, but finding a confidant or spiritual mentor to stand with you through life can save you from pain as you learn from the success and suffering of another person. We’re meant to move forward in life together, not alone. Join the conversation by visiting MentoringMoments.com!
this is the mentoring moments podcast
with Jensen Franklin and Marcus Mecum
he wanted me to earn it he wanted me to
achieve it he wanted me to take what he
didn’t I think you know a lot of times I
feel like I’m talking to this thing but
we do find ourselves expecting the
mentor to help us be successful
and I don’t think that’s the mentor’s
job well that’s a good way to start
the another one
are you oh we are yeah I mean we can
maybe start over so we’re already
recording we we thought we were not
reporting but we’re recording that’s
what’s great about live live stuff right
yeah
this this is an important concept
because a lot of people you know what’s
in it for me yeah versus the purity of
motive continue on that that’s I mean
from from your from your standpoint when
it comes to having a spiritual father
what are the do’s and don’ts or anything
like that that you can say to people I I
don’t think there’s do’s and don’ts I
just think that
um expectations have to be realistic yes
you know that that
uh there are times and we just have that
loose thing to where like you call me
Saturday and I didn’t answer no I was in
the middle of
something I was on a roll and and I
think you were getting in a fight at a
soccer game oh well this happened too
yeah oh okay so my daughter Courtney has
been talking to you yeah yeah this guy
well we better not go there but um
but yeah I mean human human is funny how
everything affects your spirit too you
know and I actually it actually got me
going I actually was going in a
different direction when I went in that
morning I left and went to my
granddaughter’s soccer game
and I won’t go into details but but
there was a um just in my very
inappropriate person that my my
daughter’s the coach and and they were
just being extremely inappropriate in my
eyes and and the way the grown man gets
talking young woman’s face that’s that’s
not a problem Marcus something just came
over me
before I knew it I was there and I
didn’t I didn’t get in an alteration but
yeah it could happen but but uh you know
if the the point is I don’t I it’s
almost everything can shift your spirit
you know when you’re preparing for
Sunday
and
I guess that’s why God uses us you know
and uh but I came back and and that’s
the the the word I was looking at was
still there but this this other thought
that I’d been carrying for several weeks
several weeks about Esther and I I began
to you know feel that agitation a little
bit about that and and the fight of it
and and the and the resistance you know
putting up resistance and how that
Mordecai stood up and and resisted so I
don’t know why I’m going into all that
but the bottom line is you know
um you tried to call and I didn’t I
didn’t answer and I didn’t answer even
though I knew we were going to be taping
this Monday because we’ve got that kind
of relationship you know and hopefully
if you can get some friends that you can
call this will help ministers and
preachers and even business people you
need two or three people who do what you
do that you can exchange ideas you can
exchange information in our case you can
exchange sermon notes you can exchange
ideas stories yeah
um uh you can exchange uh uh books and
and you know study Bibles and all kinds
of Concepts like like uh and then we
talked too about just life in general
when something happens in the broader
Body of Christ it’s wonderful to have
somebody uh to talk have you heard about
this or have you heard about that and we
get into a little bit of gospel but we
also ultimately you use it uh almost
like a ping pong match
of what are the lessons what are the
lessons that we can avoid yeah a great
quote mentors are shortcuts to success
mentorship is learning through the pain
of another person
there are two ways that people earn
through mentors or mistakes and I’d
rather learn to somebody who made the
mistake and I can learn through their
pain
then me make the mistake and go through
that hell oh you say you saved me a
thousand heartbreaks
I’ve tried and and and and I’ve had
others do the same for me particularly
Bishop Tenney you know was was someone
who just would he would come and and
when me and me and Charisse or or the
whole family my daughters uh you know
when we when we needed help to yeah to
be able to cry and even now I’m not
ashamed to say I’ve been married
36 years I’ve been pastoring the same
church 34 years maybe 30 40 years I
think
and I still don’t I’m strong in some
areas and I’m weak in some areas I I
I’ve raised five children four
grandchildren I’ve had some amazing
successes and I’ve had some tremendous
challenges and I have strengths and I
have tremendous weaknesses even to this
day
in marriage in every area I can become
so self-centered and so my you know and
and marriage is brutal on selfishness
brutal brutal I really believe that’s
why God lets us get married it’s just
just to kill you yes uh you know it’s
brutal on self but it says right love
your wife my Christ loved the church
which if you want to know what that
looks like it across yeah that’s good
um but you know I mean uh but we we go
now uh once a month to uh an amazing uh
therapist yeah yeah and if you’d have
told me that we just started it the last
year after coming out of covet
and then we had things hit during covet
that just from uh
uh legal situation to
um
that was just unbelievable pressure and
yeah and just
problems and and the church and then the
family uh things that hit our family hit
my
uh children and and grandchildren that
would affect things would never be the
same
never yeah
and
I still leave room for God’s miraculous
he makes all things new yeah but they
will never be the same yeah sometimes
you face things whether it’s the loss of
a child or a death or a tragedy that
things will never be the same yeah
and you didn’t get the miracle that you
thought and and I’ve given my life my
wife has given her life we’ve done
everything we the whole we knew to do
I’m not perfect but I’ve done everything
I need to do and it didn’t
turn out in every situation yet like
Yeah I wanted it to you know in in
family and relationships and in in
living for God and all of that stuff you
know and
the the point I’m trying to make is we
needed help yeah we needed help we were
desperate sure he’s Charisse Cherise was
done she was just done she she as as
much as we love this church
yeah I can’t imagine just walking away
from this church one day but I know that
day will come at some point but uh it
couldn’t end like that to me like
covered and go from a full blessed
maximum capacity and all that and yeah
and and then that’s going on you’ve lost
your congregation and that attendance is
you know about 60 set now thank God it’s
doing much much better we’re around 80
something I guess and yeah thank God for
that but
uh
I don’t know you know it was like a
nuclear bomb went off in our lives and
that’s what we love about you too is
that like you called me like after your
first session
and you you didn’t you never had to tell
me about that but I can remember four
hours I could not I I I know this book I
know I know there’s I ain’t much in it I
hadn’t preached on there’s a lot of more
smart people that may don’t get me wrong
but I have a general knowledge of about
anything I hear now in this scripture I
know it I know if it’s Bible or not I
know if it’s in context or not I know
something about the story I I probably
uh but my biggest goal is to find a text
you haven’t preached from
that’s how much usually I don’t know
about that but you’re desperate when you
when we started for the first 20 20 plus
years three three three messages a week
I know you did Wednesday night Sunday
nights Sunday morning Sunday night
Wednesday night so you’re digging you’re
you’re borrowing you’re you’re begging
whatever you got to do you know so no no
ego there so the point is the point is
this you know so we just kind of reached
this thing to where
we needed help I didn’t know what to do
I I honestly didn’t know what to do and
I didn’t feel like I could talk to
anybody
and I went to John Townsend
who wrote boundaries who happened to be
in Orange County and I called him I got
out on a limb
um Craig Rochelle had told me that that
he had uh had had used him for something
or one of his kids or something I can’t
remember what it was but nothing about
that and confidence but he he highly
recommended John yeah and I reached out
to him
and uh and Cherise needed me to do that
maybe maybe you guys are listening and
she’s she’s such a strong personality
and usually she’s she’s always family
fixer
but we couldn’t fix this we couldn’t
this was beyond anything we had ever
imagined addiction and and and stuff
coming into our home and in our family
and into our Circle we had had you know
typical stuff that families go through
nothing on this level
divorce and all this stuff coming into
our our circle of family our family
Circle
and it just felt like we were dying and
we who do we go to who can we talk to
and thank God he was there and he he was
so kind to us and had us come to his
home there in Orange County and
we cried and we prayed and we listened
and we and we listened and then he put
us on to the special uh counselor that’s
here in Atlanta
and if you’d have told me that I was
gonna and even then it was like our
session that I would sit four hours
in one session a month
I would have laughed at you and said you
don’t know me and uh that’s hella freeze
over I’m not gonna do that but I can
honestly say it was one of the greatest
moves we ever made in our lives and I
don’t know I don’t know what would have
happened if if we hadn’t done that
and
is is something about going in there and
dropping your title and disarming
your
I got I you know all this stuff right
here that I know yeah but but I really
it don’t do no good if if we’re not if
we’re not one yeah you know yeah and so
that that’s been an amazing thing to me
we’ve been doing this from for
almost a year
and we’re going to keep doing it as long
as we need to do it and that may be till
Jesus comes I don’t know it’s just
something about reaching out hitting it
it’s just something about saying Help
help I am not Mr Perfect I am not I’d
rather do that and spend that money on
that and do whatever I have to do on
that and we need to inform boards and we
need to inform churches that they ought
to come you know rather than than than
going through some kind of Scandal or
going through a divorce or going through
nothing in any way smidge of judgment on
anyone who’s gone through anything my
God I don’t understand how Christian
leaders bash people who who are going
through hell yeah but by the grace of
God it would be you it would be me it
could be anybody
so that’s not who who we are that’s not
where we come from that’s not our spirit
that’s not our heart hear that but I
would rather get help
you know I tell people to do that yeah
but I can’t do it for some reason why
and and it doesn’t have to be a marriage
that is dead it doesn’t have to be the
the flame goes out it doesn’t have to be
and I know every situation is different
I get that yeah but you really can
hold it to hold it again it won’t be the
same but
um if I’ve got the people when I’m on my
death bed that I really care about
that really I care about all my people
but you know what I mean my if my family
still respects me yeah
and they don’t see a perfect dad
grandfather and all a preacher and
pastor and all that but they see a Man
Who Loved God with all of his heart
loved his family with all of his heart
and love people and and did the best
that he could for his King yeah and
uh then that’ll be that’ll be Victory
and success amen I have no Greater Joy
than to see my children Walk In Truth
John said you’ve done an amazing job
with that you’re you’re amazing
daughters uh Savannah and uh Lauren her
unbelievable kids yeah I mean you
Savannah and and her husband Luke Luke
yeah amazing young man they’re your You
Youth pastors Yeah man they they talk
about you know you he’s got it and she’s
got it she does too and and then Lauren
now uh amazing taking her place what
what are I mean what are the ages of
your kids 23 and 21. and you’ve and
you’ve hardly I mean gone through you
they have been exemplary kids and in so
many ways uh any secrets you can share
with that as a as a young father
than you I had two instead of five
absolutely the long percentages the odds
were in my favorites right
um I think uh well I’ve got all my kids
have done that you’ve got brilliant kids
beautiful kids brilliant kids and yeah
oh yeah Courtney my oldest is sitting
over there and she is mad major massive
influence in this ministry she’s gonna
be she was supposed to be here today
she’s here but she’s honestly on this on
this thing a lot so what you guys are
gonna be blown away she is sharp as
attack absolutely loves the scriptures
very very wise so but about what what
have you learned about parenting let’s
talk about that a little bit
um
yeah I mean in Ministry yeah in the
spotlight in the Fishbowl
I I didn’t know what to do you know
because I didn’t grow up in Ministry so
I didn’t have a template to work off of
one way or the other
um
and
you know my big thing was
um
you know in my my parents were divorced
at a young age my mom died of a overdose
my dad is an atheist to this day
um and you know my you are a miracle
I’ve been yeah I’ve been um and no one
the Lord wanted you to have well no I
think that all that’s very touching I
always think forgotten that I always
think the compassion of you was more
because I was like this um
mutt dog out there on the streets and
and you had some rough edges I don’t
remember that if you had an edge that we
had to work on I didn’t do very well
with confrontation did I that’s right
that’s true
but my point is that we um
um
you know my kids you know again older
I’m about to have my first grandson in
June July wow and um we’re very proud of
our kids but you know my my family has
not been overly involved like
um my kids do not know my dad and I
think that was my big thing is I just
wanted to be in their life and so I
didn’t
Ministry to me didn’t play into how I
was a parent that was a big part of I
never used the church in my parenting I
never said you better be at church today
you better be in Ministry our home life
was judgment free I give Sarah a lot of
credit for that Sarah never even though
I had a ton of flaws
what does that mean judgment free
judgment free means that we um
would be okay uh
to not expect everybody to be ultra holy
at home whether you’re watching a show
or on TV or something like that in our
home you know we just do our best to to
check some of that at the door and we’re
just people and just have fun and laugh
and make jokes and maybe things that I
don’t know you know would just be really
normal really just very normal yeah and
it wasn’t pins and needles you know
everybody’s oh God are we going to make
dad mad because he’s a preacher I just
did my best to you know another thing I
think is as a pastor
everything is always all about you
everybody is always all about you and
when I went to my home I didn’t let my
family make it about me wow I made it
about them so they didn’t let them do
that and so my job was to make them the
stars make them the point you know the
focus
and I just got really lucky again Sarah
was just she’s just really good at um
making me out to be a hero when I’d be
gone or traveling or doing busy or not
present
um she would always coach the girls that
it wasn’t I wasn’t trying to be busy I
would have rather been with them and she
made me that hero to them and even
though I think
I may be more likely to
be critical Sarah’s the ultimate
Optimist with the kids about the church
and Sarah don’t ever talk bad about
church people you know I probably would
if she would let me but I think some of
those things helped him very good but
they love the church they’ve done well
and um
if I were to say anything out there I
would say I don’t I don’t think there is
any god-given way
to do it with every child what’s the
Bible say train the child in the way
they should go they should go
individually individually so you have to
find the uniqueness about that child and
they’re not the same they will not be
the same and uh and you have to accept
the differences and amen personality and
temperament
it’s good I think you know back to what
you were we when we kind of said this uh
set this thing up we were talking about
um
just the expectations of a somebody
being mentored
and all that you just did and
um with them those watching or listening
you’ve done you did with me way before
that when you called me about you and
Cherise going through counseling at your
family and what it did for you and
um and and I remember getting off the
phone that day and telling Sarah I’m
like that’s why I just I’m so he always
surprises me by he’s not gonna just say
he’s not going to quit he’s not giving
up he’s not going to let things just run
over him he even at almost 60 when you
probably could walk away
uh in in a in a natural way God would
not let you be okay but in the natural
you could you don’t need this stuff and
that that’s the gift of a mentor to me
the gift of a mentor is not an
opportunity is not a stage though I
appreciate that we’re doing this and
hopefully some people will like it
um
if not you know that’s okay too because
my my
your gift to me is you talking about you
and Cherise it’s you talking about your
failures as a dad it’s not what you do
on stage though I appreciate the
successes
to really be mentored you got to hear
someone talking about where they failed
and you got to realize that’s the gift
that they’re showing you their wounds
they’re showing you their weaknesses
they’re showing you that and when they
give you that exposure
it goes way further
um then I was talking to Courtney before
this and we were talking about
um you know that you as as someone that
wants somebody to Mentor you have to
remove the expectations of opportunity
of gain you have to be cautious to not
use the name for credibility
you know it was at our we were 12 years
ago at Seven Hills
before I told the church that you were
my pastor
and it wasn’t because you weren’t that
relationship was very strong very
obvious
but I also knew that there was a lot of
pressure and demands on you to go all
these places all over the world and not
the Seven Hills is the greatest place in
the world to me but
as far as areas that you’re responsible
to contribute to I never wanted my your
gift to Seven Hills was supporting it to
me you didn’t have to come speak or
preach or use your influence to give me
credibility
um again it goes back to what we’re
talking about you were old school in
that way and how you meant toward me
um and
you
made me go out and do it so I think you
know just when you think about this this
relationship
um and what it can bring I think a big
part of it is to not have those
expectations or the impure motives have
got to be removed and you’ve been really
good at that you’ve been
um
super good just being available but not
not blurring the lines
there’s I can give you some insight and
some wisdom but I’m not going to do it
for you
you know yeah
and I think just having uh having some
accountability in your life too just uh
knowing that you’re going to have a
conversation with somebody knowing that
if
uh uh a struggle is revealed
in private yeah that there is number one
Trust
and number two that you will you will be
asked about that you know you will be
asked about that challenge you will be
asked about
have you reached out to that kid or have
you you know I know I know there’s a lot
going on between you but have you called
or have you because that’s what I would
do you know with you and you with me is
is we would naturally go there it would
it would be it doesn’t feel off limits
it doesn’t feel at some point you don’t
get there overnight to that level of
trust and relationship but that’s a
powerful thing when you when you know
there’s accountability coming and you
know and no judgment just just
accountability and uh and there have
been times when when struggles were
revealed between us uh and and you just
are you know you just be honest and say
you know it is what it is and uh and
we’re all human and but uh I I so
appreciate what you said because I did
reach a point when concerning counseling
to where you have to you have to get
over your own
Pride it’s it is pride it is
um a humbling thing
to say I need help I can’t fix it and I
submit myself to someone who uh I trust
that will tell the truth I’ll judge what
you say by the word of God but if it’s
the word of God in principle or in
you may not this counselor doesn’t quote
Bible versus hardly ever but the
principles are absolutely biblical
principles right out of the word of God
that I can turn it into a message almost
when I’m hearing her talk you know
because you know it’s just powerful so
it does take humility to reach out and
say I need help I’m struggling I’m
discouraged I feel like quitting I feel
like giving up
um and you know I want to encourage you
to do that if you need help with kids
you got teenagers so many of you are
raising teenagers and the challenges are
enormous the culture and then being a
preacher’s kid I have the advantage of
that too yeah because I was a preacher’s
kid you weren’t but uh um you know
that’s a different animal too at times
and if you don’t handle that part I
think that’s where I can learn from you
is like I probably did bring home a lot
of that too of of of the authority that
I had in the church or in whatever and
then you come home and you expect things
to just be in order and and just cause
you snap doesn’t mean these kids are
gone they’re kids they’re kids they’re
just people they’re finding their way to
yeah so
and it takes a lot of love and patience
and forgiveness yes it does and for
yourself not just for them but asking
for it one of the greatest parent
moments in my life was when my dad uh
was got he we were young kids and he had
he was preparing on a Saturday like I
described in one of the podcasts earlier
how he would go in his little closet and
prepare and me and my brothers had just
been having one of those days well I
forget how old we were we weren’t that
you know not maybe eight and they’re
about two years difference between all
of us but we were fighting all day long
just I’m talking about pushing or
screaming at one another or getting
hitting each other whatever
and my dad came and warned us and we
kept on and he came back we were in the
bedroom and just and my brother uh my
oldest brother Dole I believe it was
pushed me he’s a big guy he’s big like
he and he just threw me into the
sheetrock and I hit so hard I broke the
sheetrock my body image was in it and uh
and boy dad heard that and he came in
and he took his belt off
and he he whipped uh I mean he whipped
us we’ll never forget that weapon
and then he he came back about an hour
later and I mean and he pulled us into
the bedroom
and he got down on his knees and he took
his belt off and he said I want y’all to
whip me
and he started crying he said I lost my
temper and I shouldn’t have done that
and I’m sorry and it was something about
that moment I started crying my brother
started crying and we and then he just
grabbed us turned it into a moment and
we got in a little circle and and prayed
and and he said pray for me y’all pray
for me
and this the here’s my hero the big guy
in my life and he’s humble enough to say
y’all pray for me and then he took the
belt and he wanted me to whip him with
it because he whipped me the hardest for
some reason and he want and he wanted me
to whip him with it and I would I I
wanted to I almost did but but then it
just broke me it just broke me
and that’s my greatest uh memory that
and seeing him on Saturdays we live
right next to the building and you could
see from the bedroom window into the
church window of the pulpit it was that
close and on Saturday afternoons he
would record the message of the cross it
was his radio broadcast and he would go
in there and preach what he was going to
preach Sunday he he would preach it on
Saturday for the radio broadcast and so
he he would he would uh he would and me
and my mean Brothers we would all get in
that window we’d love to catch him
because he was imaginary preaching to
there’s nobody there and he could see us
and we could see him and we would be
laughing and we would be making faces
and and he would be doing like this one
he was preaching and and those two
memories are two of my greatest memories
of my dad you know just he but such he
she showing that vulnerability and I
think if we can do that with our parents
sometimes I I guess what I’m trying to
say to the parents
the Wrath
the wrath of man does not produce the
righteousness of God the scripture said
the wrath of man stop it yeah yeah that
does not
produce
the righteousness of God the wrath of
man or woman screaming Force you you
will live it it does not produce the
righteousness of God sometimes is
showing
the fact that we need prayer yeah that
we need help
that can save that can make that child
relate to you more than a Bible said you
know
and that’s what I mean mentoring like
your dad he exposed his failure I mean
exactly and that’s the thing that stuck
with you the most is is that it children
are so forgiving
it’s true but but when it comes to a
relationship when you look into somebody
for input for advice for help
you can’t expect them to be perfect and
you can’t hyper ventilate over their
weaknesses I mean John the Beloved is
watching Jesus hang from the cross
I mean his mentors dying and he’s he’s
he’s pulling closer to him in that
moment of what could be the appearance
of vulnerability and and his nakedness
it’s very good shame all that that he
took on for us sin all our sin but he
was still crying out father me Mentor me
I’m not done you know and
um he didn’t need him to be resurrected
to do that you know if if if someone is
watching or listening and watching right
now and they’re going through
the trial of a lifetime so far
concerning a child
I don’t speak to you
with uh
he had knowledge about this I speak to
you
out of experience and out of the word of
God
what you what you have lived and what
you have preached and what you have
loved into those children
it they cannot shake it it may take time
it may take
a week a month years
but they cannot shake it God is faithful
he’s going to deal amen mercifully with
your family and your child and the sun
will shine again
God’s not through God’s not finished and
you you are to use your words and quote
the scripture just like you’ve taught
your people as for me and my house we
will serve the Lord
even when you don’t see it you still say
it and isn’t that the truth and you
believe it and you pray it and you keep
on praying it
and holding on
and loving and reaching and forgiving
and trying to uh
trying to be the best that you can be
for for them in whatever situation
you’re facing but we want to pray for
you we want to pray for families today
you you will never have a perfect family
but you can have an intact family that
that that loves one another
that gets along
and if maybe you’ve got a child that’s
gay
maybe you’ve got
um
a son that is just addicted to drugs or
a daughter that is just out there
and it’s just broken your heart
and you don’t know how you can go on and
do ministry
and I’ll never forget uh Bishop Tenney
saying to me when I told him I felt like
I was unworthy because you know I used
to I used to quote this thing I actually
got it from Bob gas
and he would say who interestingly he
went to a divorce in the latter part you
know of his life and then then God
amazingly restored and gave him a
beautiful Ministry that through printed
word has reached Millions but he had a
saying that said uh if it doesn’t work
at home don’t export it
and I would I quoted that all my
Ministry and there’s still a Biblical
truth in it I understand what he’s
saying
but I
I don’t think that that you can live
exactly by that because sometimes it’s
not working presently in the season that
you’re in and therefore you think you
have no Authority or right to speak
about that
and what brother Tenney said to me and
Charisse was when I told him I felt like
I ought to quit when we were facing
things with with our kids through the
years and multiple things multiple kids
and and he said well he said God had two
children in the Garden of Eden they were
they were raised in the perfect
environment
and uh and and they both failed
and he didn’t resign from being God
and you’re not going to resign from
being pastor and you’re not going to
resign from preaching you’re going to
get right up in that Pulpit even if you
had a hellish week and your kid came
home drunk or got a DUI or whatever
you’re going to get right up in that
pulpit and you’re going to preach the
truth of God’s word and one other quick
illustration I’ll never forget
hearing about this Oral Roberts the
great healing evangelist and how that as
he got older he needed he needed
eyeglasses and he cried and said God
here I am a healing evangelist and I’m
telling people that God can heal cancer
and God can heal
leukemia and God can heal heart disease
and and I’m praying for people and
they’re experience and miracles and now
I can’t even read my Bible unless I put
I can’t even preach unless and get up in
front of people unless I put these
glasses on and he said God it’s going to
hurt their faith and and it’s going to
if if I if I don’t have healing how can
how can I heal them and he said God said
to him so clear you tell them the one
who does the healing has perfect
eyesight
and it’s not Oral Roberts it’s Jesus
Jesus is the Healer Jesus is the one who
backs this word up and father today I
pray for every family that’s under
attack
oh God I plead the blood of Jesus and
Marcus and I stand in agreement right
now for every marriage in Troubled
Waters for every parent whose heart is
broken for every mother whose tears
stream down her face because she just
can’t believe who is this child and
what’s going on and how could this be
happening in my house I pray for grace I
pray for strength I pray for Mercy I
pray for angels to be released I pray
for Satan’s power to be very limited put
him on a short chain God I thank you in
Jesus name that that house is in a
covenant with God and preacher keep on
preaching pastor’s wife keep on loving
keep working you will reap if you faint
not in Jesus be encouraged they that
wait upon the Lord shall knew their
strength they will Mount up with wings
as Eagles run and not be weary walk and
not faint
and you will see the goodness of the
Lord in the land of the living Jeremiah
31 and thy children shall return from
the land of the enemy in Jesus name amen
amen amen thank you so much I want to
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